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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby wickerkat1212 » Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:38 am

JoeJoe88 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:10 am
CGW wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:03 am Just traded Puka and Hollywood Brown for a projected mid 1st in a SF league. Thrilled with that.
Nice work. If that thing somehow ends up being early, oh mama.
Wow.
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QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

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QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

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QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Jrblaha » Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:06 am

Puka alone just went for a 2026 1st SF in one of my leagues. Guess I was wrong thinking no one could get a 1st already.

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Re: Puka Nacua

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Jrblaha wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:06 am Puka alone just went for a 2026 1st SF in one of my leagues. Guess I was wrong thinking no one could get a 1st already.
I find this shocking LOL.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby CGW » Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:11 am

Jrblaha wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:06 am Puka alone just went for a 2026 1st SF in one of my leagues. Guess I was wrong thinking no one could get a 1st already.
Sounds like all the fantasy podcasts are pumping him up. It's shocking to me too, that someone would trade a 1st for him after one week. I'd want to see how he does against the Niners defense this week at minimum. Oh well, maybe he's this years ARSB.

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby ericanadian » Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:11 am

Jrblaha wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:06 am Puka alone just went for a 2026 1st SF in one of my leagues. Guess I was wrong thinking no one could get a 1st already.
I mean… 2026 is a fairly long way out.
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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:54 am

ericanadian wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:11 am
Jrblaha wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:06 am Puka alone just went for a 2026 1st SF in one of my leagues. Guess I was wrong thinking no one could get a 1st already.
I mean… 2026 is a fairly long way out.
Wonder what Puka will be doing in 2026

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:05 am

gogobradyarm wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 5:46 am I’m getting Stefon Diggs vibes from Puka. Late draft capital, guy proves he can ball early, wins in different ways, shreds man coverage, people say to sell, miss out on future stud.
Maybe, but Puka is a really poor athlete. Usually these guys "from out of nowhere" have at least 1 athletic trait they can hang their hat on. Kupp tested elite in agility, ARSB had elite leaping and above average agility testing, and Diggs had 4.4x speed. Puka is poor across the board.

Jarvis Landry was a really poor athlete, similar to Puka, but was drafted a lot higher. So there's that I guess. Puka is likely never going to melt faces like Kupp, Diggs, etc, but could he be Landry? I guess there's a chance...

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby jordanzs » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:23 am

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:05 am
gogobradyarm wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 5:46 am I’m getting Stefon Diggs vibes from Puka. Late draft capital, guy proves he can ball early, wins in different ways, shreds man coverage, people say to sell, miss out on future stud.
Maybe, but Puka is a really poor athlete. Usually these guys "from out of nowhere" have at least 1 athletic trait they can hang their hat on. Kupp tested elite in agility, ARSB had elite leaping and above average agility testing, and Diggs had 4.4x speed. Puka is poor across the board.

Jarvis Landry was a really poor athlete, similar to Puka, but was drafted a lot higher. So there's that I guess. Puka is likely never going to melt faces like Kupp, Diggs, etc, but could he be Landry? I guess there's a chance...
How was Robert Woods as an athlete? I've been grabbing Puka this summer & hoping for him to fill that role with the Rams. If so, I'll be happy enough.

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:53 am

jordanzs wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:23 am How was Robert Woods as an athlete? I've been grabbing Puka this summer & hoping for him to fill that role with the Rams. If so, I'll be happy enough.
Woods didn't do well in athletic testing, but he was also a 2nd round pick.

Things working for Puka:
+ Rams WR room stinks without Kupp.
+ McVay has the most WR friendly system in the league.
+ When Stafford is healthy, he's a boost for WRs (Megatron, Golden Tate, Marvin Jones, Kupp)

Things working against Puka:
- Draft pedigree
- Athletic profile
- Target share/total isn't sustainable
- If Kupp comes back, his share will plummet.

I think people some who missed out on Amon-Ra are trying not to make that same mistake, and this feels sort of like that.

As DD noted, it's interesting, because Puka doesn't really have any elite athletic trait or skill. He's 6'2/210 and has an 83rd percentile breakout though. So, that's maybe something.

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby SoftwoodGrampian » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:08 pm

Heard some pods looking to get a 1st for him. LOL
I’ll take a couple 3rds

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:11 pm

jordanzs wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:23 am
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:05 am
gogobradyarm wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 5:46 am I’m getting Stefon Diggs vibes from Puka. Late draft capital, guy proves he can ball early, wins in different ways, shreds man coverage, people say to sell, miss out on future stud.
Maybe, but Puka is a really poor athlete. Usually these guys "from out of nowhere" have at least 1 athletic trait they can hang their hat on. Kupp tested elite in agility, ARSB had elite leaping and above average agility testing, and Diggs had 4.4x speed. Puka is poor across the board.

Jarvis Landry was a really poor athlete, similar to Puka, but was drafted a lot higher. So there's that I guess. Puka is likely never going to melt faces like Kupp, Diggs, etc, but could he be Landry? I guess there's a chance...
How was Robert Woods as an athlete? I've been grabbing Puka this summer & hoping for him to fill that role with the Rams. If so, I'll be happy enough.
From what I can see, similar to Puka except woods ran a 4.51. Not sure about the comment saying he didn’t do athletic testing. Maybe he didn’t? But there are numbers reported for his combine

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:33 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:53 am
jordanzs wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:23 am How was Robert Woods as an athlete? I've been grabbing Puka this summer & hoping for him to fill that role with the Rams. If so, I'll be happy enough.
Woods didn't do well in athletic testing, but he was also a 2nd round pick.

Things working for Puka:
+ Rams WR room stinks without Kupp.
+ McVay has the most WR friendly system in the league.
+ When Stafford is healthy, he's a boost for WRs (Megatron, Golden Tate, Marvin Jones, Kupp)

Things working against Puka:
- Draft pedigree
- Athletic profile
- Target share/total isn't sustainable
- If Kupp comes back, his share will plummet.

I think people some who missed out on Amon-Ra are trying not to make that same mistake, and this feels sort of like that.

As DD noted, it's interesting, because Puka doesn't really have any elite athletic trait or skill. He's 6'2/210 and has an 83rd percentile breakout though. So, that's maybe something.
His BA is also an extremely small sample. He "Broke Out" in 2020 while amassing 9 Rec for 151 yards. 2 for 19 against Ore St. 1 catch for 65 yard TD vs Arizona. And 6 for 67 vs Utah.

Which yeah, the pass offense only went for 652 yards and 4 TD in those 3 games, so he clears the 20% by a hair.

But he's nowhere near the prospect ARSB was in BA and short area quickness/route running

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:38 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:33 pm
His BA is also an extremely small sample. He "Broke Out" in 2020 while amassing 9 Rec for 151 yards. 2 for 19 against Ore St. 1 catch for 65 yard TD vs Arizona. And 6 for 67 vs Utah.

Which yeah, the pass offense only went for 652 yards and 4 TD in those 3 games, so he clears the 20% by a hair.

But he's nowhere near the prospect ARSB was in BA and short area quickness/route running
Good point.

I think Puka looked very solid, but I also didn't see it as a game that any other rookie WR couldn't have if Stafford was giving them 15 targets.

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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby jman3134 » Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:15 pm

Sure, anyone might have looked as good with 15 targets. The point is he is a rookie, and veteran QB Stafford felt comfortable enough throwing to this rookie 15 times in his first game. Call that what you want. I call it production. There's a reason he fed him the ball. Could have been the matchup. Let's see this week, but at a certain point soon, we have to believe what is in front of our faces.
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Re: Puka Nacua

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Sep 14, 2023 3:58 pm

jman3134 wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:15 pm Sure, anyone might have looked as good with 15 targets. The point is he is a rookie, and veteran QB Stafford felt comfortable enough throwing to this rookie 15 times in his first game. Call that what you want. I call it production. There's a reason he fed him the ball. Could have been the matchup. Let's see this week, but at a certain point soon, we have to believe what is in front of our faces.
Reminder, these were the Rams WRs active last Sunday:

- Puka Nacua
- Tutu Atwell
- Van Jefferson
- Ben Skowronek
- DeMarcus Robinson

Someone had to catch the ball.

Forgotten in all of this is that Tutu Atwell went for 119 yards in the same game.

I liked things I saw from Nacua in the game. I just don't see his performance in isolation as something that a rookie WR in this class couldn't have done with the same volume. So, it's hard for me to all of a sudden value Nacua at this high level.

Of course if he keeps doing that, I would gladly reverse course.


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