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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby mild » Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:35 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:23 pm
remedy29 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:10 pm JT given permission to seek a trade. Interesting, this could have major impacts to multiple RBs
Word is, Miami is likely to be in the running.
You can bet Howie will be lurking too.

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Browns just restructured Myles Garrett as well - no idea if that's related, but they have a surprising amount of 2023 cap space. (30+ mil)

Likely this is all just a stalemate though, just based on this bit of insanity:
Source: The Colts are seeking a first-round pick -- or package of picks that equates to as much -- in a potential Jonathan Taylor trade.
Lol. :lol:

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Moneyball_85 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:52 pm

mild wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:35 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:23 pm
remedy29 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:10 pm JT given permission to seek a trade. Interesting, this could have major impacts to multiple RBs
Word is, Miami is likely to be in the running.
You can bet Howie will be lurking too.

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Browns just restructured Myles Garrett as well - no idea if that's related, but they have a surprising amount of 2023 cap space. (30+ mil)

Likely this is all just a stalemate though, just based on this bit of insanity:
Source: The Colts are seeking a first-round pick -- or package of picks that equates to as much -- in a potential Jonathan Taylor trade.
Lol. :lol:
I’m pretty dialed in with the Browns. The restructures are primarily to roll over into 2024.
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TE- Mark Andrews, Conklin, Darnell Washington
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:00 pm

mild wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:35 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:23 pm
remedy29 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:10 pm JT given permission to seek a trade. Interesting, this could have major impacts to multiple RBs
Word is, Miami is likely to be in the running.
You can bet Howie will be lurking too.

Image

Browns just restructured Myles Garrett as well - no idea if that's related, but they have a surprising amount of 2023 cap space. (30+ mil)

Likely this is all just a stalemate though, just based on this bit of insanity:
Source: The Colts are seeking a first-round pick -- or package of picks that equates to as much -- in a potential Jonathan Taylor trade.
Lol. :lol:
More than likely.

Colts: "Sure JT, go find yourself a trade"
JT Camp: "Yes!, We're on it"
(offer comes in, not sufficient to move the needle for the Colt's front office)
Colts: "Sorry JT, nobody offered enough for us to move you. Looks like you're still stuck with us."

Too bad too. Would be nice to have a resolution to this saga that benefits the team and player. And selfishly, those who have Taylor rostered and are wondering WTF to do with him at this point.
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby mild » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:02 pm

Moneyball_85 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:52 pm I’m pretty dialed in with the Browns. The restructures are primarily to roll over into 2024.
Nice one! That does make sense with this Watson contract kicking into high gear next year.

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Cap hit 2024, 2025, 2026: 63.9 mil.. :shock:

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby remedy29 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:12 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:00 pm
mild wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:35 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:23 pm

Word is, Miami is likely to be in the running.
You can bet Howie will be lurking too.

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Browns just restructured Myles Garrett as well - no idea if that's related, but they have a surprising amount of 2023 cap space. (30+ mil)

Likely this is all just a stalemate though, just based on this bit of insanity:
Source: The Colts are seeking a first-round pick -- or package of picks that equates to as much -- in a potential Jonathan Taylor trade.
Lol. :lol:
More than likely.

Colts: "Sure JT, go find yourself a trade"
JT Camp: "Yes!, We're on it"
(offer comes in, not sufficient to move the needle for the Colt's front office)
Colts: "Sorry JT, nobody offered enough for us to move you. Looks like you're still stuck with us."

Too bad too. Would be nice to have a resolution to this saga that benefits the team and player. And selfishly, those who have Taylor rostered and are wondering WTF to do with him at this point.
Teams value talented players, RBs included. We already know that with the draft capital they put into the position. Money wise, teams have been squeezing RBs of cash during negotiations, not because they dont value them, but because they like using leverage in negotiations.

Money wise, all it would take is a little more than the 10M franchise tag. And some draft compensation, reportable a 1st.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:21 pm

remedy29 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:12 pm
Teams value talented players, RBs included. We already know that with the draft capital they put into the position. Money wise, teams have been squeezing RBs of cash during negotiations, not because they dont value them, but because they like using leverage in negotiations.

Money wise, all it would take is a little more than the 10M franchise tag. And some draft compensation, reportable a 1st.
The salary likely isn't the issue. More and more often, the draft capital teams are spending on the position is a 2nd round pick or later. 2nd round valuation for a RB these days is a pretty solid investment by a team.

It seems that with a 5th-year option for 1st round picks, teams would rather use that capital on different positions, since most teams are reluctant to sign a RB to a 2nd contract anyway.

That's more why I don't think he'll be moved. I'm not convinced a team is going to surrender a 1st rounder for his services.
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby mild » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:27 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:21 pm That's more why I don't think he'll be moved. I'm not convinced a team is going to surrender a 1st rounder for his services.
It's more than the Colts paid initially (a 2nd) for a guy with 1 year left on his deal who has clearly demonstrated he will be a malcontent if his next team attempts to tag him.

You had it right in your previous post I reckon. It's just a total sham of a process by the Colts, if that's truly the price they're seeking.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Kurt G.O.A.T. » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:51 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:21 pm
remedy29 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:12 pm
Teams value talented players, RBs included. We already know that with the draft capital they put into the position. Money wise, teams have been squeezing RBs of cash during negotiations, not because they dont value them, but because they like using leverage in negotiations.

Money wise, all it would take is a little more than the 10M franchise tag. And some draft compensation, reportable a 1st.
The salary likely isn't the issue. More and more often, the draft capital teams are spending on the position is a 2nd round pick or later. 2nd round valuation for a RB these days is a pretty solid investment by a team.

It seems that with a 5th-year option for 1st round picks, teams would rather use that capital on different positions, since most teams are reluctant to sign a RB to a 2nd contract anyway.

That's more why I don't think he'll be moved. I'm not convinced a team is going to surrender a 1st rounder for his services.
Two teams just used the 8th and 12th picks overall to take a rb. If they covet a player they will pay the price. JT is a stud in his prime. He should receive plenty of interest.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Farley » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:53 pm

mild wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:27 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:21 pm That's more why I don't think he'll be moved. I'm not convinced a team is going to surrender a 1st rounder for his services.
It's more than the Colts paid initially (a 2nd) for a guy with 1 year left on his deal who has clearly demonstrated he will be a malcontent if his next team attempts to tag him.

You had it right in your previous post I reckon. It's just a total sham of a process by the Colts, if that's truly the price they're seeking.
100%

And everyone can see how disingenuous it is. Again, not a good look for Irsay, imo.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby Ice » Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:37 pm

Kurt G.O.A.T. wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:51 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:21 pm
remedy29 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:12 pm
Teams value talented players, RBs included. We already know that with the draft capital they put into the position. Money wise, teams have been squeezing RBs of cash during negotiations, not because they dont value them, but because they like using leverage in negotiations.

Money wise, all it would take is a little more than the 10M franchise tag. And some draft compensation, reportable a 1st.
The salary likely isn't the issue. More and more often, the draft capital teams are spending on the position is a 2nd round pick or later. 2nd round valuation for a RB these days is a pretty solid investment by a team.

It seems that with a 5th-year option for 1st round picks, teams would rather use that capital on different positions, since most teams are reluctant to sign a RB to a 2nd contract anyway.

That's more why I don't think he'll be moved. I'm not convinced a team is going to surrender a 1st rounder for his services.
Two teams just used the 8th and 12th picks overall to take a rb. If they covet a player they will pay the price. JT is a stud in his prime. He should receive plenty of interest.
The Falcons have a back with a better pedigree locked up for 5 years if they choose. They will spend under 22 million for 4 years of service. No way Taylor wants to play for 4 years at 22 million.

He will get interest but not 1st round interest plus over 10 million for multiple years.

The market is not there these days. The Colts may move him to a bad team for a 2nd but they don't really want to trade him. He has a good value contract so they want and should ask for value if they trade him.
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby ericanadian » Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:06 pm

I think teams would be hard pressed to move even a second rounder for JT unless they could get a reasonably priced extension. They’ll want some level of confidence that he’s going to play and be happy about it and aren’t going to want to run through this again on the franchise tag next year.
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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby cazzie33 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:20 pm

Chargers & Dolphins are my best guess for teams that might bite but both have qbs that are about to get paid. Don't know if you can trade Ekeler at this late stage & change your offense's identity.

Hard to believe but there isn't really hardly any teams that it would make sense to trade for JT AND give up high picks plus pay a long term salary he'd be happy with. Colts hold the trump cards and would be crazy to not get at least a 2nd rd plus other compensation for a guy like JT who is under contract control for a cpl more years. Tag prices are as good as RBs are going to get nowadays. Irsay knows this. Why guarantee money that you don't have to when you know nobody else is going to either.

Taylor can only show up & sand bag his injury to be a nuisance and drain the team's finances. That's not a good way to go about it either. But I sure wouldn't EVER play less than a 110% healthy for this organization either.

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby SoftwoodGrampian » Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:39 pm

Chargers have shown their hand and it doesn’t include franchise RB money!

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Re: Jonathan Taylor is your 1.01 now.

Postby mild » Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:43 pm

SoftwoodGrampian wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:39 pm Chargers have shown their hand and it doesn’t include franchise RB money!
Whilst I do agree - that was for an age 28 y/o super-back with heavy usage the last few years, seeking an extension for his ages 29, 30, 31++++ seasons.

You can at least tell yourself a story with Taylor that he's got another good contract in him, if you value the position financially.


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