Rookie RB beyond the top 4

[Cameron Giles]

He's not a twitchy, change of direction type of back. That's clear. But, I don't think it's black/white, where you're either twitchy or stiff.

[killer_of_giants]

But, I don't think it's black/white, where you're either twitchy or stiff.

of course not. if i thought his agility was average i'd say so, but i think it's noticeably worse than that.

[Bronco Billy]

Johnson had the best missed tackle rate in this class at 45% and forced 139 of them. Pretty impressive given he didn't get a ton of carries behind Bijan the last three seasons. I don't think "plodder" and "stiff" are accurate. He's definitely not twitchy though.

I have learned to absolutely not trust this stat in college RBs. I’m not sure the people counting it know what a missed tackle is.

Johnson is slow to get into a seam when it opens. In college players can get away with that because the holes are so much bigger and lines like UT have linemen who can keep them open longer as well as getting to the second level more often. In the NFL those same seams are a lot slimmer and they don’t stay open long. A guy who is slow to the line (not through patience but rather lack of explosiveness) are guys I cross off my list very early and Johnson is one of those guys. Even with other skills - which Johnson does have - their production is going to be severely capped.

[ericanadian]

Johnson had the best missed tackle rate in this class at 45% and forced 139 of them. Pretty impressive given he didn't get a ton of carries behind Bijan the last three seasons. I don't think "plodder" and "stiff" are accurate. He's definitely not twitchy though.

Missed tackles include broken tackles. You don’t need to be agile to get them. In fact, it sometimes helps if you’re not. If some dude gets an arm on you and you run through it, that counts as a missed tackle.

[MFundercover]

Johnson had the best missed tackle rate in this class at 45% and forced 139 of them. Pretty impressive given he didn't get a ton of carries behind Bijan the last three seasons. I don't think "plodder" and "stiff" are accurate. He's definitely not twitchy though.

Missed tackles include broken tackles. You don’t need to be agile to get them. In fact, it sometimes helps if you’re not. If some dude gets an arm on you and you run through it, that counts as a missed tackle.

From what I've seen of his film at Texas, he pretty much just runs to the pile like an old school style rb. He probably racked up a lot of "missed tackles" the way you described. It's not like he was trucking everyone on his way to that stat.

That said he does run with power but I haven't felt like it was on a special level.

[Space Cowboy]

Zach Moss made ppl miss and Andre Williams ran ppl over. Neither was an athlete. Roschon looked meh to me plus he’s a converted QB with limited career touches. When does that ever work?

[Lumps]

Zach Moss made ppl miss and Andre Williams ran ppl over. Neither was an athlete. Roschon looked meh to me plus he’s a converted QB with limited career touches. When does that ever work?

I’ve said something similar in a prior thread. Add on to that, that this is Fields backfield. Then Herbert. Then maybe Johnson but also maybe Foreman.

I understood the gamble as a later round pick, but people pushed him up too far. Look at the trade forum. People are saying to try to get him added in to a larger trade, as though he’s a prime target.

[FantasyFreak]

Zach Moss made ppl miss and Andre Williams ran ppl over. Neither was an athlete. Roschon looked meh to me plus he’s a converted QB with limited career touches. When does that ever work?

I’ve said something similar in a prior thread. Add on to that, that this is Fields backfield. Then Herbert. Then maybe Johnson but also maybe Foreman.

I understood the gamble as a later round pick, but people pushed him up too far. Look at the trade forum. People are saying to try to get him added in to a larger trade, as though he’s a prime target.

Herbert's the back you want to maximize that read option with Fields, in the run game. Explosive player that can make explosive plays with that slight hesitation on the LB's that Fields can give them with the threat of him running. Johnson might be a good guy to close out a game with, and with the Bears looking to win 10 or more games this year, he could get plenty of opportunity to.

[remedy29]

Johnson had the best missed tackle rate in this class at 45% and forced 139 of them. Pretty impressive given he didn't get a ton of carries behind Bijan the last three seasons. I don't think "plodder" and "stiff" are accurate. He's definitely not twitchy though.

are those missed tackles based on agility, or based on running over a defender? He created missed tackles by his size, not athleticism. I am not sure why the rate of his missed tackles is impressive given his "low" number of carries. By limiting his carries, he is kept fresh and at his strongest leading to his high rate of missed tackles. If given a higher amount of playing time, his missed tackle rate would decline, not increase.

[Jigga94]

Zach Moss made ppl miss and Andre Williams ran ppl over. Neither was an athlete. Roschon looked meh to me plus he’s a converted QB with limited career touches. When does that ever work?

I’ve said something similar in a prior thread. Add on to that, that this is Fields backfield. Then Herbert. Then maybe Johnson but also maybe Foreman.

I understood the gamble as a later round pick, but people pushed him up too far. Look at the trade forum. People are saying to try to get him added in to a larger trade, as though he’s a prime target.

I took him over Bigsby in a draft and may regret that one lol. I know it's a crowded backfield and I own Herbert and believe he's still the one to own. But things change quickly

[Cameron Giles]

Zach Moss made ppl miss and Andre Williams ran ppl over. Neither was an athlete. Roschon looked meh to me plus he’s a converted QB with limited career touches. When does that ever work?

Kareem Hunt and Josh Jacobs ran people over too. Neither were athletes. Let's not act like RBs who break tackle and win off contact are not effective anymore.

[yinzername]

guys, please be careful talking about "the team with shall not be named" in this thread. we're risking yet another wicker-washing

[Cameron Giles]

Missed tackles include broken tackles. You don’t need to be agile to get them. In fact, it sometimes helps if you’re not. If some dude gets an arm on you and you run through it, that counts as a missed tackle.

Johnson doesn't have great COD ability, but he's also not a stiff and can make defenders miss with cuts and agility.

[Space Cowboy]

Zach Moss made ppl miss and Andre Williams ran ppl over. Neither was an athlete. Roschon looked meh to me plus he’s a converted QB with limited career touches. When does that ever work?

Kareem Hunt and Josh Jacobs ran people over too. Neither were athletes. Let's not act like RBs who break tackle and win off contact are not effective anymore.

Jacobs was a first round pick and Hunt instantly took over the KC backfield. Johnson isn’t in that sort of conversation.

[FantasyFreak]

Zach Moss made ppl miss and Andre Williams ran ppl over. Neither was an athlete. Roschon looked meh to me plus he’s a converted QB with limited career touches. When does that ever work?

Kareem Hunt and Josh Jacobs ran people over too. Neither were athletes. Let's not act like RBs who break tackle and win off contact are not effective anymore.

Jacobs was a first round pick and Hunt instantly took over the KC backfield. Johnson isn’t in that sort of conversation.

Agreed. Jacobs also has some seriously nasty cuts, and an incredible dead leg. He can string moves together. Jacobs was and is a vastly superior back.