2023 Rookie QB rankings

[Pullo Vision]

So.. what are everyone's thoughts on Will Levi's? Currently the odds on favorite to go #2 overall

I'm a fan. Only thing that would cool things is if he falls out of the top 10-15.

[halfbaked88]

So.. what are everyone's thoughts on Will Levi's? Currently the odds on favorite to go #2 overall

I'm a fan. Only thing that would cool things is if he falls out of the top 10-15.

People were just as low Justin Herbert, maybe even lower this time of year. And consensus remained low even after going 6th overall.

Draft capital is everything at QB. If Levis gets it you should be selecting him in Superflex over every skill position player not named Bijan.

[honcho55]

Came poking around to see thoughts on Stroud sliding. Tried skimming and running a search for S2, apparently it’s too common a term for search. I do think it’s a primary factor for Levis hopping him in odds. It’s a bit new of a evaluation tool, so really tough to gauge how useful/predictive it is yet, but I lean towards it being a bigger piece of the puzzle than say, wonderlic. I’ve taken and scored highly on the wonderlic (99th percentile) and can tell ya I do not have NFL QB processing speed, not even close.

Also, since it’s newer, I can’t seem to find cases of nfl success with a low score (I am certain there is/will be, but…), and we DO have cases where it was predictive (Purdy).

Apologies if I missed talk about this somewhere. Anyone have thoughts?

[Pullo Vision]

So.. what are everyone's thoughts on Will Levi's? Currently the odds on favorite to go #2 overall

I'm a fan. Only thing that would cool things is if he falls out of the top 10-15.

People were just as low Justin Herbert, maybe even lower this time of year. And consensus remained low even after going 6th overall.

Draft capital is everything at QB. If Levis gets it you should be selecting him in Superflex over every skill position player not named Bijan.

A few months ago, I was going to point to Herbert's pre draft talk as we prepped to evaluate this QB heavy draft. People were VERY split on him, even calling him "polarizing".

That said, if Levis goes, say, 3rd or 4th, overall, I don't think that means he should go ahead of whatever QB goes 1.01 (cough Young).

Honcho, there was a multi page discussion on the S2 in the 2023 draft thread. On Levis v Stroud, people ignore how much better Levis looked when operating in an NFL scheme and not injured. That scheme experience gives reason for optimism if he gets drafted into a Shanahan/McVay scheme. Stroud's biggest cited negative is his performance when pressured. I think those points are more relevant than a fairly new test that's been adopted by relatively few teams.

[murphysxm]

Draft capital is everything at QB.

Nothing is everything in the draft process

[Cameron Giles]

Came poking around to see thoughts on Stroud sliding. Tried skimming and running a search for S2, apparently it’s too common a term for search. I do think it’s a primary factor for Levis hopping him in odds. It’s a bit new of a evaluation tool, so really tough to gauge how useful/predictive it is yet, but I lean towards it being a bigger piece of the puzzle than say, wonderlic. I’ve taken and scored highly on the wonderlic (99th percentile) and can tell ya I do not have NFL QB processing speed, not even close.

Also, since it’s newer, I can’t seem to find cases of nfl success with a low score (I am certain there is/will be, but…), and we DO have cases where it was predictive (Purdy).

Apologies if I missed talk about this somewhere. Anyone have thoughts?

Stroud's slide could be a number of things, though it could also be notably influenced by teams angling to get him to fall to them.

It is interesting though that all of these Ohio State QBs seem to fall in the draft process: Haskins, Fields, and now possibly Stroud. I'm not sure why that it is. Some have speculated that it's because the evaluation is tougher, because Stroud is almost always throwing to one of the best WRs in college, but that wasn't a factor when Tua came out, so I don't know.

I do agree though that if you're a Will Levis fan, you can get him for great value in any format. Is he even a Top-6 pick in Superflex? I'm not sure.

[Lumps]

Someone is saying Levis is going #1. Bryce stopped taking visits because Carolina is taking Levis and Texans are taking Young.....

https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFL/stat ... WvguktAAAA

[murphysxm]

Someone is saying Levis is going #1. Bryce stopped taking visits because Carolina is taking Levis and Texans are taking Young.....

https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFL/stat ... WvguktAAAA

this time of year is always entertaining

[zacharyringer12]

Should I trade Zach Charbonnet for Will Levis pre draft?

[Dynasty DeLorean]

On Levis v Stroud, people ignore how much better Levis looked when operating in an NFL scheme and not injured. That scheme experience gives reason for optimism if he gets drafted into a Shanahan/McVay scheme.

When was this so I can watch some game of this. I don't follow college football.

[Cameron Giles]

Someone is saying Levis is going #1. Bryce stopped taking visits because Carolina is taking Levis and Texans are taking Young.....

https://twitter.com/ConnorAllenNFL/stat ... WvguktAAAA

i don't think the Panthers have the stones to do that, but it's a fun bet for gamblers who caught the +6000 odds for Levis-Panthers.

[Ice]

He is going to go pretty high.

Technically he is very sound. Maybe a little mechanical for some but should be a solid pro.

Played hurt some last year on a bad team so may have regressed.

My concern is he looks more like a first read QB. Don’t see much passing creativity.

Looks like an elite game manager which isn’t a bad thing for NFL but may mot be a beast at fantasy.

Doubt he gets out of the top 5

Houston at 2 makes some sense in a San Fran type offensive system.

[Sriracha]

He is going to go pretty high.

Technically he is very sound. Maybe a little mechanical for some but should be a solid pro.

Played hurt some last year on a bad team so may have regressed.

My concern is he looks more like a first read QB. Don’t see much passing creativity.

Looks like an elite game manager which isn’t a bad thing for NFL but may mot be a beast at fantasy.

Doubt he gets out of the top 5

Houston at 2 makes some sense in a San Fran type offensive system.

So I'm guessing you don't think his rushing ability is going to translate to the NFL?

[cazzie33]

Putin's propaganda farm needs to bow down to the level of disinformation campaign that is being waged about this year's nfl draft.

Cracks me up how much people cite unnamed sources that they want to believe then mock all the others that cite narratives of the others as ludicrous. And for sure many will be here after the fact to gloat when the one(s) they predicted to be drafted sooner or later turned out to be right.

Suddenly S2 is the end all / be all when from what I've seen we know very little how it is done much less how it translates to playing NFL QB . Same thing back in the day w/ Wonderlic. Like SAT's I don't know that there isn't already " S2 for Dummies" tutorials to help you cram for the test to score higher. Being a world class gamer able to react to on screen stimulus quicker doesn't mean you can read or anticipate NFL defensive coverages.

Big Michigan fan but I hope Stroud has a GREAT CAREER because I believe he's had a great disservice done to him . Whomever waited until late in the draft cycle to leak out information w/o putting their name on it is garbage. Test was probably done months ago yet sat on.

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/s2 ... t-accurate

Stroud has overcome much tougher obstacles in his life than this feeding frenzy over test score . Credit to him to not let it consume him and feel need to debunk it. Rooting for him. Wouldn't mind the Lions getting him to do a Mahomes like apprenticeship under Goff if he slips. Bigger arm , better athlete to lead the Leos to be a perennial contender

[murphysxm]

As a colts fan at #4 please don’t give Stroud any chance. Thanks and I appreciate it.