Thoughts on trading CeeDee Lamb for IDP.

[MacDaddy123]

I am in a 20 team league, and like many others, currently trying to dump Lamb.
I have made a few offers for other offensive players, but can't seem to get any close value for Lamb (Waddle, Pittman, Metcalf, etc.)

So I am considering trading Lamb for either Micah Parsons or Devin White (prefer Parsons).
IDP scoring is slightly deflated, about 86% of IDP123 scoring.

Bad move? Good move?
I don't feel like it is a panic move, because what I saw Sunday Night are legit concerns.
Lamb showed the inability to beat press coverage, and gain any separation in double teams.
He looked like he is a WR2, and does not have the ability to be a team's WR1.

We start 7 offense and 7 IDP.

My WR's are: Lamb, Pittman, Higgins, DJ Moore, Kirk, Campbell, and Bryan Edwards
Can only start 4 WR's max, 2 WR slots, 2 Flex slots.

My starting IDP is:
DL: Sam Hubbard
DL: Odafe Oweh (filling in for Harold Landry, which is why I'd prefer Parsons, as he can be slotted in at DL)
LB: Roquan Smith
LB: Bobby Wagner
DB: Vonn Bell
DB: Kyler Dugger
Flex: Bobby Okereke

Bench IDP Pieces: Ernest Jones, Talanoa Hufanga, Uchenna Nwosu, Rashad Weaver

[lukkynumber13]

This is a terrible move. If you’re in a league where TJ Watt scored 40-50+ points in week 1, AND you’re starting 11+ IDP, then I would consider trading Lamb for Nick Bosa, or Garrett, but still wouldn’t do it unless there was a piece added on top.

[Space Cowboy]

No.

I'm moving Lamb as well but it's a deep league so we're working on Etienne ++. No way do I want IDP for a top notch WR.

[meineymoe]

This definitely sounds like a panic move.
Step away from the ledge.

-oo-

[MacDaddy123]

This is a terrible move. If you’re in a league where TJ Watt scored 40-50+ points in week 1, AND you’re starting 11+ IDP, then I would consider trading Lamb for Nick Bosa, or Garrett, but still wouldn’t do it unless there was a piece added on top.

Starting 14 total, 7 offense + 7 IDP, 20 team league.

May have been a terrible idea, but both Micah Parsons owner and Devin White owner turned down my offers.
So it seems as if I am stuck with Lamb.
I'll just sit him on my bench until he shows any signs of life.

[MacDaddy123]

This definitely sounds like a panic move.
Step away from the ledge.

-oo-

Yeah, panic move.
Because this is my one and only share of Lamb, and I bought in January 2022.

However, watching week 1, Lamb is definitely NOT an Alpha, as he cannot beat press coverage or double teams like Alpha WR's can.
Lamb is a Beta, who will struggle all season long until the Cowboys can get a true Alpha, and let Lamb play his natural WR2 role on a team.

[MacDaddy123]

No.

I'm moving Lamb as well but it's a deep league so we're working on Etienne ++. No way do I want IDP for a top notch WR.

I have had ZERO luck trying to move Lamb for offensive pieces.

I offered Lamb + Michael Carter for Javonte Williams 3 months ago, declined.
I offered Lamb straight up for Breece Hall 3 months ago, declined.
I offered Lamb straight up for Jaylen Waddle 3 days ago, declined.
I offered Lamb for Devin White and an early 23 1st 2 days ago, declined.
I offered Lamb + Odafe Oweh for Micah Parsons and Skyy Moore 2 days ago, declined.

I currently have Lamb in a package with Jonathan Taylor and Michael Carter for D'Andre Swift, Javonte Williams, and Amon Ra St. Brown.

Basically running out of options, other than just let Lamb sit on my bench until he can learn to beat press coverage and double teams, and/or the Cowboys realize that Lamb is not the Alpha they hoped he would be, and get a new #1 WR, to allow Lamb to play the WR2 role that fits his game better.

[lukkynumber13]

If you want to sell low on Lamb - which actually can be a good strategy, IF you think a player is a bum relative to his value, and so you’re expecting someone to think they’re “buying low” - then I’d look at Devonta Smith+, DJM, Aiyuk+, Godwin, Evans, or KA+

[MacDaddy123]

If you want to sell low on Lamb - which actually can be a good strategy, IF you think a player is a bum relative to his value, and so you’re expecting someone to think they’re “buying low” - then I’d look at Devonta Smith+, DJM, Aiyuk+, Godwin, Evans, or KA+

Basically, I feel that Lamb was EXTREMELY over-valued as WR3.
I have said that here and elsewhere.
Lamb is now down to WR8, which is really closer to where his value should be.

I tried all summer to sell Lamb as WR3, no one was buying.

I have tried to sell him at discounted rates now, like for Waddle, still no one is buying.
I even tried trading Lamb + a 23 2nd for London + a 23 1st, no one was buying.

I don't want to just give him away, so it looks like I am stuck with him.
If Pittman and Higgins were healthy, I could just sit Lamb on the bench, but I still have to play him for now.

It just amuses me that the general population thought that Lamb was a top 5 WR in Dynasty, when he has not shown any promise of even being a top 15 WR yet.

It's my fault really, because when I bought Lamb, in January, I expected his stock to soar.
I knew about Amari's contract "problem", and I knew Gallup, Wilson, and Schultz were free agents, so I bought Lamb stock expecting it to go up. And it did.

So I was right. However, I misread the market. Just because some fools run around on websites touting how great Lamb will be in 2022, I did not realize that the average man on the street was not buying all of that Lamb hype.
In a 20 team league you would think that you could find someone interested in Lamb, but 8 months later I am still holding him.

I never expected to get stuck with Lamb. I wanted to "buy him low", watch his value go up, then sell him.
Personally I never believed in him, and he showed why last Sunday Night.
He can't beat press coverage, and he can't create separation in a double team.
Essentially that means he is NOT an Alpha.

Well in the NFL, Betas don't get to be WR1's.
So it backfired on me, because I thought that Joe SixPack would buy the Lamb hype, but he hasn't.
Either that, or the guys in my league are too smart for that BS.

[lukkynumber13]

If you want to sell low on Lamb - which actually can be a good strategy, IF you think a player is a bum relative to his value, and so you’re expecting someone to think they’re “buying low” - then I’d look at Devonta Smith+, DJM, Aiyuk+, Godwin, Evans, or KA+

Basically, I feel that Lamb was EXTREMELY over-valued as WR3.
I have said that here and elsewhere.
Lamb is now down to WR8, which is really closer to where his value should be.

I tried all summer to sell Lamb as WR3, no one was buying.

I have tried to sell him at discounted rates now, like for Waddle, still no one is buying.
I even tried trading Lamb + a 23 2nd for London + a 23 1st, no one was buying.

I don't want to just give him away, so it looks like I am stuck with him.
If Pittman and Higgins were healthy, I could just sit Lamb on the bench, but I still have to play him for now.

It just amuses me that the general population thought that Lamb was a top 5 WR in Dynasty, when he has not shown any promise of even being a top 15 WR yet.

It's my fault really, because when I bought Lamb, in January, I expected his stock to soar.
I knew about Amari's contract "problem", and I knew Gallup, Wilson, and Schultz were free agents, so I bought Lamb stock expecting it to go up. And it did.

So I was right. However, I misread the market. Just because some fools run around on websites touting how great Lamb will be in 2022, I did not realize that the average man on the street was not buying all of that Lamb hype.
In a 20 team league you would think that you could find someone interested in Lamb, but 8 months later I am still holding him.

I never expected to get stuck with Lamb. I wanted to "buy him low", watch his value go up, then sell him.
Personally I never believed in him, and he showed why last Sunday Night.
He can't beat press coverage, and he can't create separation in a double team.
Essentially that means he is NOT an Alpha.

Well in the NFL, Betas don't get to be WR1's.
So it backfired on me, because I thought that Joe SixPack would buy the Lamb hype, but he hasn't.
Either that, or the guys in my league are too smart for that BS.

Holy bitterness, MacDaddy!

I wish I was in your league. I would gladly pay the equivalent of London plus a 1st.

Hold tight, if you don’t like lamb you will get a better sell window than this.

[MacDaddy123]

If you want to sell low on Lamb - which actually can be a good strategy, IF you think a player is a bum relative to his value, and so you’re expecting someone to think they’re “buying low” - then I’d look at Devonta Smith+, DJM, Aiyuk+, Godwin, Evans, or KA+

Basically, I feel that Lamb was EXTREMELY over-valued as WR3.
I have said that here and elsewhere.
Lamb is now down to WR8, which is really closer to where his value should be.

I tried all summer to sell Lamb as WR3, no one was buying.

I have tried to sell him at discounted rates now, like for Waddle, still no one is buying.
I even tried trading Lamb + a 23 2nd for London + a 23 1st, no one was buying.

I don't want to just give him away, so it looks like I am stuck with him.
If Pittman and Higgins were healthy, I could just sit Lamb on the bench, but I still have to play him for now.

It just amuses me that the general population thought that Lamb was a top 5 WR in Dynasty, when he has not shown any promise of even being a top 15 WR yet.

It's my fault really, because when I bought Lamb, in January, I expected his stock to soar.
I knew about Amari's contract "problem", and I knew Gallup, Wilson, and Schultz were free agents, so I bought Lamb stock expecting it to go up. And it did.

So I was right. However, I misread the market. Just because some fools run around on websites touting how great Lamb will be in 2022, I did not realize that the average man on the street was not buying all of that Lamb hype.
In a 20 team league you would think that you could find someone interested in Lamb, but 8 months later I am still holding him.

I never expected to get stuck with Lamb. I wanted to "buy him low", watch his value go up, then sell him.
Personally I never believed in him, and he showed why last Sunday Night.
He can't beat press coverage, and he can't create separation in a double team.
Essentially that means he is NOT an Alpha.

Well in the NFL, Betas don't get to be WR1's.
So it backfired on me, because I thought that Joe SixPack would buy the Lamb hype, but he hasn't.
Either that, or the guys in my league are too smart for that BS.

Holy bitterness, MacDaddy!

I wish I was in your league. I would gladly pay the equivalent of London plus a 1st.

Hold tight, if you don’t like lamb you will get a better sell window than this.

Still feel that way?
Right now you would have to add the 1st on the Lamb side to get London.

FWIW, I did finally move Lamb yesterday, and I am happy with the deal.
I traded away Lamb + Michael Carter for Javonte Williams + Rondale Moore.

Now I just have to figure out what to do with DJ Moore. Yikes!
I need the Panthers to fire Matt Rhule and bench Baker for Sam Darnold.

[Slevin Kelevra]

Lamb showed the inability to beat press coverage, and gain any separation in double teams.
He looked like he is a WR2, and does not have the ability to be a team's WR1.

Old takes exposed

[Anteaters]

Lamb showed the inability to beat press coverage, and gain any separation in double teams.
He looked like he is a WR2, and does not have the ability to be a team's WR1.

Old takes exposed

Not just old takes. This trade looks like it needs a mulligan.

I traded away Lamb + Michael Carter for Javonte Williams + Rondale Moore.

OUCH!
That trade didn't age well.

Oh well, we've all made an oops trade.

[MacDaddy123]

Lamb showed the inability to beat press coverage, and gain any separation in double teams.
He looked like he is a WR2, and does not have the ability to be a team's WR1.

Old takes exposed

Not just old takes. This trade looks like it needs a mulligan.

I traded away Lamb + Michael Carter for Javonte Williams + Rondale Moore.

OUCH!
That trade didn't age well.

Oh well, we've all made an oops trade.

Yeah, didn't age well, but Javonte was healthy when I made the trade, and I had much more depth at WR than at RB at that time.
At that time, week 2(?), JT was my RB1 and Michael Carter was my RB2, 20 team league.
My WR's were: CeeDee Lamb, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, DJ Moore, Christian Kirk.
At the time, Javonte was a top 5 dynasty RB, and CeeDee Lamb was a top 5 dynasty WR.

Hindsight is 20/20, and I wound up having to trade away a lot of draft picks anyway when JT and Javonte went down in week 4 for Aaron Jones.

I managed to finish the regular season in 3rd place, 24-4 record (Median Scoring), but lost in the 1st round of the playoffs, with JT, Javonte, Kyler Murray, Rondale Moore, and my DL1, Harold Landry, all sitting on my IR.

[Anteaters]

Old takes exposed

Not just old takes. This trade looks like it needs a mulligan.

I traded away Lamb + Michael Carter for Javonte Williams + Rondale Moore.

OUCH!
That trade didn't age well.

Oh well, we've all made an oops trade.

Yeah, didn't age well, but Javonte was healthy when I made the trade, and I had much more depth at WR than at RB at that time.
At that time, week 2(?), JT was my RB1 and Michael Carter was my RB2, 20 team league.
My WR's were: CeeDee Lamb, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, DJ Moore, Christian Kirk.
At the time, Javonte was a top 5 dynasty RB, and CeeDee Lamb was a top 5 dynasty WR.

Hindsight is 20/20, and I wound up having to trade away a lot of draft picks anyway when JT and Javonte went down in week 4 for Aaron Jones.

I managed to finish the regular season in 3rd place, 24-4 record (Median Scoring), but lost in the 1st round of the playoffs, with JT, Javonte, Kyler Murray, Rondale Moore, and my DL1, Harold Landry, all sitting on my IR.

Not a bad outcome. Nice save on the season, to keep you hopeful and winning until the end.

I think Javonte will eventually make you happy. I'm hoping it's sooner rather than later, for both of us.