2022-23 coaching carousel

[Pullo Vision]

So, Chargers make worst decision possible and fire Lombardi while keeping Staley. This could potentially derail Herbert’s career as I have to assume Staley will be on the hot seat and Herbert could potentially be seeing two new systems over the next two seasons.

Herbert is clearly good enough he's going to be fine no matter who the OC is, it's not going to derail anything he just won't fully reach his potential unless he gets a great OC like any QB. Lombardi is a terrible OC and absolutely had to go, keeping a bad coach for the sake of "stability" is much worse than moving on and trying to find an upgrade. They should be getting rid of Staley as well I agree, but getting a new staff on offense was the bare minimum necessity.

Agreed. Lombardi seems like he tried to copy paste Sean Peyton's scheme from Brees' wet noodle days to the Chargers. Herbert's arm is so much stronger.

[Pullo Vision]

Huh, Baltimore let go of Greg Roman. Wonder who they'll replace him with.

[Anteaters]

Byron Leftwich let go as Tampa's OC. Would make sense to bring him to Pittsburgh in an assistant capacity. If Canada faceplants again, they'll have a successor available in season.

He has connections to Pittsburgh, given that he finished his career there. Maybe him and Lombardi will trade jobs.

Firing Leftwich was one of the worst recent examples of scapegoating. Wherever he goes next, he's going to shine!

[mild]

So, Chargers make worst decision possible and fire Lombardi while keeping Staley. This could potentially derail Herbert’s career as I have to assume Staley will be on the hot seat and Herbert could potentially be seeing two new systems over the next two seasons.

Herbert is clearly good enough he's going to be fine no matter who the OC is, it's not going to derail anything he just won't fully reach his potential unless he gets a great OC like any QB. Lombardi is a terrible OC and absolutely had to go, keeping a bad coach for the sake of "stability" is much worse than moving on and trying to find an upgrade. They should be getting rid of Staley as well I agree, but getting a new staff on offense was the bare minimum necessity.

I'm with bjd, Lombardi 100% had to go. Staley too, but that was never likely with Spanos... he has historically always kept his HC's at least 1-2 years too long. Lombardi was a nepotistic hire to the extreme, and one of Staley's longtime friends to boot.

Justin Herbert ranked 31st in intended air yards per attempt in 2022, with an average depth of target of 6.4 yards.

Why the hell you would look at Justin Herbert's skillset and decide to turn him into a dink-and-dunk thrower is beyond me. Their offense was maddening this year.

[ericanadian]

So, Chargers make worst decision possible and fire Lombardi while keeping Staley. This could potentially derail Herbert’s career as I have to assume Staley will be on the hot seat and Herbert could potentially be seeing two new systems over the next two seasons.

Herbert is clearly good enough he's going to be fine no matter who the OC is, it's not going to derail anything he just won't fully reach his potential unless he gets a great OC like any QB. Lombardi is a terrible OC and absolutely had to go, keeping a bad coach for the sake of "stability" is much worse than moving on and trying to find an upgrade. They should be getting rid of Staley as well I agree, but getting a new staff on offense was the bare minimum necessity.

I'm with bjd, Lombardi 100% had to go. Staley too, but that was never likely with Spanos... he has historically always kept his HC's at least 1-2 years too long. Lombardi was a nepotistic hire to the extreme, and one of Staley's longtime friends to boot.

Justin Herbert ranked 31st in intended air yards per attempt in 2022, with an average depth of target of 6.4 yards.

Why the hell you would look at Justin Herbert's skillset and decide to turn him into a dink-and-dunk thrower is beyond me. Their offense was maddening this year.

How much of that came in the six or seven weeks after he had damage to his ribs? He was at 7.8 yards in intended air yards per attempt in 2021, which was also Lombardi. Also, Herbert was under pressure a lot this year which likely led to more of a short area passing game as well.

[mild]

How much of that came in the six or seven weeks after he had damage to his ribs? He was at 7.8 yards in intended air yards per attempt in 2021, which was also Lombardi. Also, Herbert was under pressure a lot this year which likely led to more of a short area passing game as well.

Who knows. We're both seeing the same outcome, and trying to apply some logic to it from different angles.

The fact that the Chargers themselves applied the same process internally, and then fired Lombardi - literally one of the HC's best friends since College days - should really tell you all you need to know.

I do think that there's something to be said about the poor roster construction going on there, too. The Athletic's pod broke it down post-loss - they have been whiffing quite a lot recently... suffice to say, if Jalen Guyton going down means you're f-'d for attempting deep shots with a speed threat, then perhaps you misevaluated your depth in the WR room.

[TheBelgian]

Huh, Baltimore let go of Greg Roman. Wonder who they'll replace him with.

This has been the most interesting coaching move so far, to me. Baltimore has been running a non-traditional offense, no longer has Lamar under contract and I wouldn't say that the personnel that they currently have on offense is ideal for a scheme change. Ravens may be headed for a drastic change on offense. If they make a scheme change, I don't see how it is going to be done in a single off-season.

[Jigga94]

Huh, Baltimore let go of Greg Roman. Wonder who they'll replace him with.

This has been the most interesting coaching move so far, to me. Baltimore has been running a non-traditional offense, no longer has Lamar under contract and I wouldn't say that the personnel that they currently have on offense is ideal for a scheme change. Ravens may be headed for a drastic change on offense. If they make a scheme change, I don't see how it is going to be done in a single off-season.

Me and everyone else in Baltimore has seen this milesssss away. This offense is so stale, the lack of WR only exacerbated it.

Lamar and Co (Stanley, Dobbins, etc) have left plenty of cryptic, and not so cryptic, messages this year about how bad the offense is and their disdain towards the scheme/play calling. They've also had their best WR demand a trade out too. Franchise QB get more pull than WR though.

I'm also pretty confident they bring Lamar back now that Roman is gone. Lamar doesn't need Roman. It's the other way around. Lamar ran a pro offense in college.

They also said they want to keep the good parts of Roman's scheme (run) and improve on the rest (pass). So I'm not concerned about an entire scheme change here. This isn't going to be an air raid offense all of a sudden. But something had to change and even if they dealt Lamar, it would make little sense to keep Roman around

[ericanadian]

Huh, Baltimore let go of Greg Roman. Wonder who they'll replace him with.

This has been the most interesting coaching move so far, to me. Baltimore has been running a non-traditional offense, no longer has Lamar under contract and I wouldn't say that the personnel that they currently have on offense is ideal for a scheme change. Ravens may be headed for a drastic change on offense. If they make a scheme change, I don't see how it is going to be done in a single off-season.

Me and everyone else in Baltimore has seen this milesssss away. This offense is so stale, the lack of WR only exacerbated it.

Lamar and Co (Stanley, Dobbins, etc) have left plenty of cryptic, and not so cryptic, messages this year about how bad the offense is and their disdain towards the scheme/play calling. They've also had their best WR demand a trade out too. Franchise QB get more pull than WR though.

I'm also pretty confident they bring Lamar back now that Roman is gone. Lamar doesn't need Roman. It's the other way around. Lamar ran a pro offense in college.

They also said they want to keep the good parts of Roman's scheme (run) and improve on the rest (pass). So I'm not concerned about an entire scheme change here. This isn't going to be an air raid offense all of a sudden. But something had to change and even if they dealt Lamar, it would make little sense to keep Roman around

Seems like a fair bit of risk in the TE room. Likely and even Kolar had some upside that seems a lot more risky with Roman out. Not a lot of schemes utilizing multiple TEs. I would have to assume they’ll continue to feature Andrews because they have such weak receivers.

[Jigga94]

This has been the most interesting coaching move so far, to me. Baltimore has been running a non-traditional offense, no longer has Lamar under contract and I wouldn't say that the personnel that they currently have on offense is ideal for a scheme change. Ravens may be headed for a drastic change on offense. If they make a scheme change, I don't see how it is going to be done in a single off-season.

Me and everyone else in Baltimore has seen this milesssss away. This offense is so stale, the lack of WR only exacerbated it.

Lamar and Co (Stanley, Dobbins, etc) have left plenty of cryptic, and not so cryptic, messages this year about how bad the offense is and their disdain towards the scheme/play calling. They've also had their best WR demand a trade out too. Franchise QB get more pull than WR though.

I'm also pretty confident they bring Lamar back now that Roman is gone. Lamar doesn't need Roman. It's the other way around. Lamar ran a pro offense in college.

They also said they want to keep the good parts of Roman's scheme (run) and improve on the rest (pass). So I'm not concerned about an entire scheme change here. This isn't going to be an air raid offense all of a sudden. But something had to change and even if they dealt Lamar, it would make little sense to keep Roman around

Seems like a fair bit of risk in the TE room. Likely and even Kolar had some upside that seems a lot more risky with Roman out. Not a lot of schemes utilizing multiple TEs. I would have to assume they’ll continue to feature Andrews because they have such weak receivers.

Yeah thats true on the TE. Likely and Kolar won't be going anywhere soon obviously. All 3 TE signed through 2025. I'd hope they use Likely more split out wide to get him some usage. I know that's Andrews thing too and assuming they add WR, it may not be feasible to use Likely much unless to spell Andrews. Kolar should be used as a blocker more next year, now that he's healthy and Oliver headed out.

Outside of RB, where it's either Dobbins or Gus on the field... We know Andrews, Bateman/New WR, and Ricard will command a lot of snaps. Then they figure to mix in the other 2 TE as needed

[FantasyFreak]

So, Chargers make worst decision possible and fire Lombardi while keeping Staley. This could potentially derail Herbert’s career as I have to assume Staley will be on the hot seat and Herbert could potentially be seeing two new systems over the next two seasons.

Herbert is clearly good enough he's going to be fine no matter who the OC is, it's not going to derail anything he just won't fully reach his potential unless he gets a great OC like any QB. Lombardi is a terrible OC and absolutely had to go, keeping a bad coach for the sake of "stability" is much worse than moving on and trying to find an upgrade. They should be getting rid of Staley as well I agree, but getting a new staff on offense was the bare minimum necessity.

I'm with bjd, Lombardi 100% had to go. Staley too, but that was never likely with Spanos... he has historically always kept his HC's at least 1-2 years too long. Lombardi was a nepotistic hire to the extreme, and one of Staley's longtime friends to boot.

Justin Herbert ranked 31st in intended air yards per attempt in 2022, with an average depth of target of 6.4 yards.

Why the hell you would look at Justin Herbert's skillset and decide to turn him into a dink-and-dunk thrower is beyond me. Their offense was maddening this year.

When your WR's all run close to 4.6 or worse, it handicaps the ability to have a fully powered offense to some degree. Lombardi wasn't the answer, but the GM needs to bring in some speed to the WR corps, with an arm like Herbert's, they aren't fully exploiting his deep ball abilities.

I'm not saying you need a track team, but they should definitely be looking for a legit deep threat for this offense.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Huh, Baltimore let go of Greg Roman. Wonder who they'll replace him with.

This has been the most interesting coaching move so far, to me. Baltimore has been running a non-traditional offense, no longer has Lamar under contract and I wouldn't say that the personnel that they currently have on offense is ideal for a scheme change. Ravens may be headed for a drastic change on offense. If they make a scheme change, I don't see how it is going to be done in a single off-season.

Me and everyone else in Baltimore has seen this milesssss away. This offense is so stale, the lack of WR only exacerbated it.

Lamar and Co (Stanley, Dobbins, etc) have left plenty of cryptic, and not so cryptic, messages this year about how bad the offense is and their disdain towards the scheme/play calling. They've also had their best WR demand a trade out too. Franchise QB get more pull than WR though.

I'm also pretty confident they bring Lamar back now that Roman is gone. Lamar doesn't need Roman. It's the other way around. Lamar ran a pro offense in college.

They also said they want to keep the good parts of Roman's scheme (run) and improve on the rest (pass). So I'm not concerned about an entire scheme change here. This isn't going to be an air raid offense all of a sudden. But something had to change and even if they dealt Lamar, it would make little sense to keep Roman around

I’m not a Ravens specialist, but didn’t they design an entirely new offense around Lamar which led to wild success and league mvp? Idk, that kinda seems like the exact type of thing you want from a coach. It’s not like they have great receiving weapons.

[Jigga94]

This has been the most interesting coaching move so far, to me. Baltimore has been running a non-traditional offense, no longer has Lamar under contract and I wouldn't say that the personnel that they currently have on offense is ideal for a scheme change. Ravens may be headed for a drastic change on offense. If they make a scheme change, I don't see how it is going to be done in a single off-season.

Me and everyone else in Baltimore has seen this milesssss away. This offense is so stale, the lack of WR only exacerbated it.

Lamar and Co (Stanley, Dobbins, etc) have left plenty of cryptic, and not so cryptic, messages this year about how bad the offense is and their disdain towards the scheme/play calling. They've also had their best WR demand a trade out too. Franchise QB get more pull than WR though.

I'm also pretty confident they bring Lamar back now that Roman is gone. Lamar doesn't need Roman. It's the other way around. Lamar ran a pro offense in college.

They also said they want to keep the good parts of Roman's scheme (run) and improve on the rest (pass). So I'm not concerned about an entire scheme change here. This isn't going to be an air raid offense all of a sudden. But something had to change and even if they dealt Lamar, it would make little sense to keep Roman around

I’m not a Ravens specialist, but didn’t they design an entirely new offense around Lamar which led to wild success and league mvp? Idk, that kinda seems like the exact type of thing you want from a coach. It’s not like they have great receiving weapons.

Yeah they did. Roman was great for that as he was for Kaepernick and even Tyrod in BUF. It took the league by surprise in 2019 with Lamar though. But by the time they got to the playoffs, other teams had it figured out and it's been downhill for 3 straight years. Roman did nothing to adapt. They couldn't hold onto or acquire WR talent because of the offense. It was a snowball effect. It was time for a change.

Hoping for a solid OC because we know Harbaugh isn't calling plays. Honestly, Lamar should have a pretty big say in who they bring in. I'd think if they bring in someone he doesn't want, then he just leaves anyways. He definitely wasn't sticking around with Roman

[Anteaters]

I think the Ravens at least kick the tires of Leftwich.

[Jigga94]

I think the Ravens at least kick the tires of Leftwich.

They should. I don't think he's bad. The Bucs were bad this year but that was more about the players than coaching imo

Funny because I remember the Ravens wanted Leftwich in 03. Got sniped and they went with Suggs instead. The Boller pick though...