Isaiah Pacheco

[Cameron Giles]

Mattison has known value even though he couldn’t play unless Cook is injured. Pacheco has no known value like Mattison but could potentially work into a flex worthy role without an injury or even somehow take over the lead back role(very unlikely but much higher possibility than Mattison).

People aren’t paying CEH prices for him. They envision him doing what every other rb has done for the last few years and that’s worth a 2nd atleast. No one thinks he will be JT. But no one is sacrificing the draft capital they did on CEH to get him.

Let me be clear, I’m selling for a 2nd but I understand the hype.

On paper, I just don't see it.

CEH the last two seasons has basically had Flex usage. Again, 28-29th in touches/gm the last two seasons. So, if your lead RB is getting RB3/Flex usage, then what is your 2nd/3rd RB getting?

If everyone is healthy, I don't even think Pacheco is fantasy relevant.

If Pacheco starts eating into some snaps, then he's a low-end flex dart throw and probably better for DFS.

None of this strikes me as being worth a 2nd round pick in a strong rookie draft, where I'm guaranteed to get a WR or RB with better draft capital and a clearer path to opportunity.

[YouMightDieTryin]

I think one thing that can be for sure is that KC will not try to put Pacheco on the practice squad. So does that mean they go into the season with 4 RBs? Or who gets the axe?

CEH doesn't play ST
Rojo doesn't play ST
McKinnon doesn't really play ST does he?
Pacheco?

[esloan35]

I think one thing that can be for sure is that KC will not try to put Pacheco on the practice squad. So does that mean they go into the season with 4 RBs? Or who gets the axe?

CEH doesn't play ST
Rojo doesn't play ST
McKinnon doesn't really play ST does he?
Pacheco?

I’m feeling like Rojo is the odd man out in this group or the injury history of McKinnon flushes up as usual. Pacheco has some chances in the next two weeks. Let’s see what happens.

[jcc6fd]

I think one thing that can be for sure is that KC will not try to put Pacheco on the practice squad. So does that mean they go into the season with 4 RBs? Or who gets the axe?

CEH doesn't play ST
Rojo doesn't play ST
McKinnon doesn't really play ST does he?
Pacheco?

Rojo is on the outside looking in at this point.

[YouMightDieTryin]

I think one thing that can be for sure is that KC will not try to put Pacheco on the practice squad. So does that mean they go into the season with 4 RBs? Or who gets the axe?

CEH doesn't play ST
Rojo doesn't play ST
McKinnon doesn't really play ST does he?
Pacheco?

I’m feeling like Rojo is the odd man out in this group or the injury history of McKinnon flushes up as usual. Pacheco has some chances in the next two weeks. Let’s see what happens.

McKinnon just had his hamstring flair up....so that's the sound of the door creaking open.

[ericanadian]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they went with four backs. I’m not sure how a team can be confident running out the injury risks that are CEH and McKinnon alongside Pacheco for the season.

Also, McKinnon does play special teams.

[StableOfRBs]

Just took him as the 23.01 in a startup as my 8th RB and what I believe is my only share of him so we'll see what happens. I think CEH is the guy until at least mid-season, draft capital and him having produced already for the Chief will give him a bit of a leash but he's had 2 ankle sprains, a hip strain and an MCL sprain all to the same leg (his right leg) in the last two years so I wouldn't be shocked if he got banged up a bit by week 8-11 and Pacheco started to see some more work (I don't think they do much with McKinnon tbh).

[SteveMaddensShoes]

Mattison has known value even though he couldn’t play unless Cook is injured. Pacheco has no known value like Mattison but could potentially work into a flex worthy role without an injury or even somehow take over the lead back role(very unlikely but much higher possibility than Mattison).

People aren’t paying CEH prices for him. They envision him doing what every other rb has done for the last few years and that’s worth a 2nd atleast. No one thinks he will be JT. But no one is sacrificing the draft capital they did on CEH to get him.

Let me be clear, I’m selling for a 2nd but I understand the hype.

On paper, I just don't see it.

CEH the last two seasons has basically had Flex usage. Again, 28-29th in touches/gm the last two seasons. So, if your lead RB is getting RB3/Flex usage, then what is your 2nd/3rd RB getting?

If everyone is healthy, I don't even think Pacheco is fantasy relevant.

If Pacheco starts eating into some snaps, then he's a low-end flex dart throw and probably better for DFS.

None of this strikes me as being worth a 2nd round pick in a strong rookie draft, where I'm guaranteed to get a WR or RB with better draft capital and a clearer path to opportunity.

I did say he isn’t worth a second. Selling for 2nd. Buying for third round as a lottery pick.

If everyone is healthy he is unlikely to be fantasy relevant. But that rb room hasn’t stayed healthy historically so there are openings in the future.

[ericanadian]

Just took him as the 23.01 in a startup as my 8th RB and what I believe is my only share of him so we'll see what happens. I think CEH is the guy until at least mid-season, draft capital and him having produced already for the Chief will give him a bit of a leash but he's had 2 ankle sprains, a hip strain and an MCL sprain all to the same leg (his right leg) in the last two years so I wouldn't be shocked if he got banged up a bit by week 8-11 and Pacheco started to see some more work (I don't think they do much with McKinnon tbh).

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/clyd ... s-helaire/

MCL was on the other leg according to playerprofiler. Also a clavicle injury.

[StableOfRBs]

Just took him as the 23.01 in a startup as my 8th RB and what I believe is my only share of him so we'll see what happens. I think CEH is the guy until at least mid-season, draft capital and him having produced already for the Chief will give him a bit of a leash but he's had 2 ankle sprains, a hip strain and an MCL sprain all to the same leg (his right leg) in the last two years so I wouldn't be shocked if he got banged up a bit by week 8-11 and Pacheco started to see some more work (I don't think they do much with McKinnon tbh).

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/clyd ... s-helaire/

MCL was on the other leg according to playerprofiler. Also a clavicle injury.

interesting, I had seen somewhere it was the right leg but either way it's not great imo, especially considering his relatively light workload

the clavicle injury was just a bruised shoulder and not something I was really considering because of how minor it was tbh

[FantasyFreak]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they went with four backs. I’m not sure how a team can be confident running out the injury risks that are CEH and McKinnon alongside Pacheco for the season.

Also, McKinnon does play special teams.

Yep. I don't think Rojo gets cut. 17 games, and injuries happen. CEH has missed some time the past 2 season, McKinnon hasn't exactly been a picture of health in his career, to say the least, and is now 30 years old, and Pacheco is a 7th round rookie.

[dynastyninja]

The Strachan thread last year got 17 pages, seems like Pacheco will get close to that.

[natjjohn]

The Strachan thread last year got 17 pages, seems like Pacheco will get close to that.

The mighty Strachan! Never really saw the reason for hype with him. But again, don’t recall the hype getting that crazy. I’m sure there outliers, and think the trades people share that are crazy are outliers as well. So folks start arguing over those. For example, under no circumstances could I get a 2023 2nd for Pacheco right now. Never. Would say that’s the case for vast majority of leagues. He’s an intriguing lottery ticket and if can get for relatively nothing can see the value considering the position of RB. It’s worth a shot despite it being a long one.

[Cameron Giles]

The Strachan thread last year got 17 pages, seems like Pacheco will get close to that.

The mighty Strachan! Never really saw the reason for hype with him. But again, don’t recall the hype getting that crazy. I’m sure there outliers, and think the trades people share that are crazy are outliers as well. So folks start arguing over those. For example, under no circumstances could I get a 2023 2nd for Pacheco right now. Never. Would say that’s the case for vast majority of leagues. He’s an intriguing lottery ticket and if can get for relatively nothing can see the value considering the position of RB. It’s worth a shot despite it being a long one.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=218600&hilit=Strachan

Well, the thread begins with the OP wondering if he's better than Michael Pittman and then there's a Marques Colston comp somewhere after. There was a pretty crazy amount of hype for him, though Darwin Thompson and Pacheco definitely surpassed him in that.

[Rondalebaby]

Big time sell, smash accept for a second.

All of the sustained late round RB success stories from the last few years were productive from a young age with decent receiving market share numbers in college (Lindsay, JRob, Mitchell).

Pacheco couldn’t even bully as a senior with his athletic gifts