Last year we implemented a massive overhaul in our IDP scoring. 3/12 of our overall season points were LBs with Watt, Oluokun, and brooks. Brooks outscored all RBs and outscored Ekeler by 25 points. I was offered the trade for team 1 in the sig.
Give: Kamara+2023 4th
Receive: Brooks+2023 2nd+2024 2nd
I just blew my team up as it was primarily older in age and acquired some young talent and picks. Would you like this trade for this team?
Help with trading values between offense and defense
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Help with trading values between offense and defense
12 Team .5PPR IDP 30 Man Roster 8 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1 Flex-1PK-2DL-2LB-2DB-1Flex
QB: K. Murray, D. Mills
RB: J. Williams A. Kamara, A. Gibson, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, D’. Johnson
WR: J. Waddle, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, M. Pittman, OBJ, J. Jones, R. Gage, B. Edwards
TE: K. Pitts, Albert O., C. Brate, J. Everette
DL: D. Hunter, B. Burns, M. Sweat, R. Gregory, C. Lawson
LB: L. Wilson, J Hicks, P. Werner
DB: K. Hamilton, T. Rapp
SF 12 Team 1PPR 24 Man Roster 4 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1SF-2Flex
QB: L. Jackson, J. Burrow, D. Lock, J. Brisett, T. Huntley
RB: M. Sanders, D. Harris, K. Herbert, T. Sermon
WR: T. Higgins, D. Johnson, D.J. Moore, M. Pittman, G. Davis, A. St. Brown, J. Landry, J. Meyers, L. Shenault, J. Palmer, C. Austin
TE: K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, T. Higbee, G. Everette
Taxi:
Z. White RB
B. Robinson RB
A. Smith RB
S. Moore WR
QB: K. Murray, D. Mills
RB: J. Williams A. Kamara, A. Gibson, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, D’. Johnson
WR: J. Waddle, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, M. Pittman, OBJ, J. Jones, R. Gage, B. Edwards
TE: K. Pitts, Albert O., C. Brate, J. Everette
DL: D. Hunter, B. Burns, M. Sweat, R. Gregory, C. Lawson
LB: L. Wilson, J Hicks, P. Werner
DB: K. Hamilton, T. Rapp
SF 12 Team 1PPR 24 Man Roster 4 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1SF-2Flex
QB: L. Jackson, J. Burrow, D. Lock, J. Brisett, T. Huntley
RB: M. Sanders, D. Harris, K. Herbert, T. Sermon
WR: T. Higgins, D. Johnson, D.J. Moore, M. Pittman, G. Davis, A. St. Brown, J. Landry, J. Meyers, L. Shenault, J. Palmer, C. Austin
TE: K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, T. Higbee, G. Everette
Taxi:
Z. White RB
B. Robinson RB
A. Smith RB
S. Moore WR
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
No no no. Please no.
This is a terrible deal.
This is a terrible deal.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
this is all league/scoring/starting requirements-dependent, but as a general rule, never give a good starter on offense for a stud on defense. with very few exceptions.
also, LBs outscoring RBs means nothing: QBs outscore every other position and yet their value is low, because they ALL score a lot and are replaceable. this is true for most IDPs as well, the difference between a LB1 and LB4 is a lot less than the difference between a RB1 and RB4, so it doesn't matter if a LB scores a lot, if you can easily find someone that scores 75% of what he does.
also, LBs outscoring RBs means nothing: QBs outscore every other position and yet their value is low, because they ALL score a lot and are replaceable. this is true for most IDPs as well, the difference between a LB1 and LB4 is a lot less than the difference between a RB1 and RB4, so it doesn't matter if a LB scores a lot, if you can easily find someone that scores 75% of what he does.
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
What would you say brooks is worth in offensive terms? In picks?
12 Team .5PPR IDP 30 Man Roster 8 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1 Flex-1PK-2DL-2LB-2DB-1Flex
QB: K. Murray, D. Mills
RB: J. Williams A. Kamara, A. Gibson, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, D’. Johnson
WR: J. Waddle, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, M. Pittman, OBJ, J. Jones, R. Gage, B. Edwards
TE: K. Pitts, Albert O., C. Brate, J. Everette
DL: D. Hunter, B. Burns, M. Sweat, R. Gregory, C. Lawson
LB: L. Wilson, J Hicks, P. Werner
DB: K. Hamilton, T. Rapp
SF 12 Team 1PPR 24 Man Roster 4 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1SF-2Flex
QB: L. Jackson, J. Burrow, D. Lock, J. Brisett, T. Huntley
RB: M. Sanders, D. Harris, K. Herbert, T. Sermon
WR: T. Higgins, D. Johnson, D.J. Moore, M. Pittman, G. Davis, A. St. Brown, J. Landry, J. Meyers, L. Shenault, J. Palmer, C. Austin
TE: K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, T. Higbee, G. Everette
Taxi:
Z. White RB
B. Robinson RB
A. Smith RB
S. Moore WR
QB: K. Murray, D. Mills
RB: J. Williams A. Kamara, A. Gibson, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, D’. Johnson
WR: J. Waddle, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, M. Pittman, OBJ, J. Jones, R. Gage, B. Edwards
TE: K. Pitts, Albert O., C. Brate, J. Everette
DL: D. Hunter, B. Burns, M. Sweat, R. Gregory, C. Lawson
LB: L. Wilson, J Hicks, P. Werner
DB: K. Hamilton, T. Rapp
SF 12 Team 1PPR 24 Man Roster 4 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1SF-2Flex
QB: L. Jackson, J. Burrow, D. Lock, J. Brisett, T. Huntley
RB: M. Sanders, D. Harris, K. Herbert, T. Sermon
WR: T. Higgins, D. Johnson, D.J. Moore, M. Pittman, G. Davis, A. St. Brown, J. Landry, J. Meyers, L. Shenault, J. Palmer, C. Austin
TE: K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, T. Higbee, G. Everette
Taxi:
Z. White RB
B. Robinson RB
A. Smith RB
S. Moore WR
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
In the leagues where my teams A & B are, a stud IDP will score 30-35 pts on a great week (just like an offensive player)Zebrahead07 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:05 am What would you say brooks is worth in offensive terms? In picks?
In those leagues, Brooks might fetch a late 1st in a bad class. I don’t think anyone would pay a 23 First for any off-ball LB tho, maybe Devin White.
In most leagues tho, where a stud LB is still only scoring 15 MAYBE 20 pts in a great week - if you can get a 2nd for them, I consider yourself lucky.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
Congrats on starting a thread and saving yourself.
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
This needs to be your main takeaway from this thread.killer_of_giants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:05 am this is all league/scoring/starting requirements-dependent, but as a general rule, never give a good starter on offense for a stud on defense. with very few exceptions.
also, LBs outscoring RBs means nothing: QBs outscore every other position and yet their value is low, because they ALL score a lot and are replaceable. this is true for most IDPs as well, the difference between a LB1 and LB4 is a lot less than the difference between a RB1 and RB4, so it doesn't matter if a LB scores a lot, if you can easily find someone that scores 75% of what he does.
Where is Cody Barton rostered? Not a ton of leagues, meanwhile he'll be a LB2/3. Good luck finding a RB2 on the WW or at the bottom of someone's roster for something cheap.
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
^^^^AMEN.
To really prove the point, look at LB30 or 40 vs LB5
Now go look at RB30 or 40 vs RB5
To really prove the point, look at LB30 or 40 vs LB5
Now go look at RB30 or 40 vs RB5
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
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TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
/
TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
HERBERT, J Daniels, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/G WILSON/D ADAMS/DK, Pittman, Flowers, Evans, Pearsoll
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/COUSINS, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
LAPORTA/KELCE/KITTLE
/
TEAM C - 32T (2 copy), 1QB, TEP
TUA, J Daniels
KAMARA, J Brooks, Monty, Mattison
JJ/DK/GODWIN/K ALLEN, Kirk, J Meyers, Polk, Wandale
KITTLE, Goedert, Higbee
/
TEAM D - 14T, 1QB
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE, Pollard
CHASE/G WILSON/AIYUK/DJM, Nabers, Pittman, Diggs, Polk
KITTLE, Goedert
/
TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/BREECE, Pollard
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert
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TEAM F - 12T, SF & TEP
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA
Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
The scoring, as long as it is enough to make a guy viable, doesn't matter near as much as starting requirements. In the NFL each team has 1,aybe 2 rbs getting worthwhile touches weekly and with flexes in a lot of leagues we start 3 or 4 or so, sometimes more. At LB there are twice as many, even significantly more if not true position and yet out of that much larger pool we often start even less guys, realistically we should be starting way more lbs than rbs for value to be anywhere near fair
4th and long: ppr, 10 team, qb, rb, rb, wr, wr, wr, flex, flex, te, k, dl, dl, lb, lb, db, db, dflex, dflex
QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,
IR: Clayton Geathers, Quincy Enunwa, Raekwon McMillan
QB: Kirk Cousins Tyrod Taylor, Jared Goff
RB: Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliot, Theo Riddick, D'Onta Foreman, James Conner, Jamal Williams
WR: Alshon Jeffrey, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Keenan Allen, Jordan Matthews, Cole Beasley, Robby Anderson, Corey Davis, Breshad Perriman, Eli Rogers
TE: Eric Ebron, , David Njoku, Jack Doyle
K: Will Lutz
DL: Frank Clark, Danielle Hunter
LB: Luke Kuechley, Bobby Wagner, Jordan Hicks, Mark Barron, Darron Lee
DB: Sean Davis, Morgan Burnett,
IR: Clayton Geathers, Quincy Enunwa, Raekwon McMillan
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Re: Help with trading values between offense and defense
Thank you guys for all the feedback!
12 Team .5PPR IDP 30 Man Roster 8 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1 Flex-1PK-2DL-2LB-2DB-1Flex
QB: K. Murray, D. Mills
RB: J. Williams A. Kamara, A. Gibson, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, D’. Johnson
WR: J. Waddle, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, M. Pittman, OBJ, J. Jones, R. Gage, B. Edwards
TE: K. Pitts, Albert O., C. Brate, J. Everette
DL: D. Hunter, B. Burns, M. Sweat, R. Gregory, C. Lawson
LB: L. Wilson, J Hicks, P. Werner
DB: K. Hamilton, T. Rapp
SF 12 Team 1PPR 24 Man Roster 4 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1SF-2Flex
QB: L. Jackson, J. Burrow, D. Lock, J. Brisett, T. Huntley
RB: M. Sanders, D. Harris, K. Herbert, T. Sermon
WR: T. Higgins, D. Johnson, D.J. Moore, M. Pittman, G. Davis, A. St. Brown, J. Landry, J. Meyers, L. Shenault, J. Palmer, C. Austin
TE: K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, T. Higbee, G. Everette
Taxi:
Z. White RB
B. Robinson RB
A. Smith RB
S. Moore WR
QB: K. Murray, D. Mills
RB: J. Williams A. Kamara, A. Gibson, D. Foreman, K. Herbert, D’. Johnson
WR: J. Waddle, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, M. Pittman, OBJ, J. Jones, R. Gage, B. Edwards
TE: K. Pitts, Albert O., C. Brate, J. Everette
DL: D. Hunter, B. Burns, M. Sweat, R. Gregory, C. Lawson
LB: L. Wilson, J Hicks, P. Werner
DB: K. Hamilton, T. Rapp
SF 12 Team 1PPR 24 Man Roster 4 Taxi 1QB-2RB-3WR-1TE-1SF-2Flex
QB: L. Jackson, J. Burrow, D. Lock, J. Brisett, T. Huntley
RB: M. Sanders, D. Harris, K. Herbert, T. Sermon
WR: T. Higgins, D. Johnson, D.J. Moore, M. Pittman, G. Davis, A. St. Brown, J. Landry, J. Meyers, L. Shenault, J. Palmer, C. Austin
TE: K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, T. Higbee, G. Everette
Taxi:
Z. White RB
B. Robinson RB
A. Smith RB
S. Moore WR
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