Josh Allen - Time to Believe!

[mullmania]

I believe but this is gonna be a great one to look back on.

So far the Bills offense has looked unstopabble. That said they have played the Jets, Dolphins and Rams.

Lets see what week 14,15,16 vs Pittsburgh, @ Denver, @ New England bring before crowning anyone.

[ThunderTung]

Anybody who watches the games knows he’s the main reason for their successes. Very accurate, keeps plays alive, aggressive. Everything you want on top of his fantasy asset wheels.

Elite fantasy QB for as long as he plays.

Lets slow down on the very accurate, he's been accurate for 3 weeks now. Before than he was embarrassingly inaccurate. He's very athletic and has a cannon of an arm, but he's never wowed with his accuracy

[murphysxm]

He seems like a player who's love or hate will be directly proportional to how many shares the dynasty owner has or doesn't have of him.

I own zero, I think he is awesome. I think the love/hate is directly proportional to what side of the fence the person was on pre-draft. Allen, like Murray, Jones, and Herbert, had many people mock the draft pick and write him off as a bust before he even played a single snap. These people weren't even open to the possibility of him being a good QB. It seems pretty clear to me that he is very good for fantasy and real football, but I don't have to justify any bust/wasted draft pick takes from the past.

ehh i dont mind admitting when im wrong (which appears to be the case here) I just hate buffalo fans lol. the most arrogant fans in the league and they root for a poverty franchise, makes no sense to me and drives me nuts. So it was fun watching them treat Allen like the 2nd coming of Jesus when he was overthrowing his receivers by 10-15 yards

Wait, did a Cowboys fan just really say this?

[ThunderTung]

I own zero, I think he is awesome. I think the love/hate is directly proportional to what side of the fence the person was on pre-draft. Allen, like Murray, Jones, and Herbert, had many people mock the draft pick and write him off as a bust before he even played a single snap. These people weren't even open to the possibility of him being a good QB. It seems pretty clear to me that he is very good for fantasy and real football, but I don't have to justify any bust/wasted draft pick takes from the past.

ehh i dont mind admitting when im wrong (which appears to be the case here) I just hate buffalo fans lol. the most arrogant fans in the league and they root for a poverty franchise, makes no sense to me and drives me nuts. So it was fun watching them treat Allen like the 2nd coming of Jesus when he was overthrowing his receivers by 10-15 yards

Wait, did a Cowboys fan just really say this?

sorry I should be more specific. the most arrogant fans in the league relative to their success. Also, not a cowboys fan so

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Anybody who watches the games knows he’s the main reason for their successes. Very accurate, keeps plays alive, aggressive. Everything you want on top of his fantasy asset wheels.

Elite fantasy QB for as long as he plays.

Lets slow down on the very accurate, he's been accurate for 3 weeks now. Before than he was embarrassingly inaccurate. He's very athletic and has a cannon of an arm, but he's never wowed with his accuracy

I am talking about this year. Don't live in the past

[ThunderTung]

Anybody who watches the games knows he’s the main reason for their successes. Very accurate, keeps plays alive, aggressive. Everything you want on top of his fantasy asset wheels.

Elite fantasy QB for as long as he plays.

Lets slow down on the very accurate, he's been accurate for 3 weeks now. Before than he was embarrassingly inaccurate. He's very athletic and has a cannon of an arm, but he's never wowed with his accuracy

I am talking about this year. Don't live in the past

its week 3 lol. Gonna take alot more than 3 games for me to deem someone very accurate when his body of work prior has shown the opposite

[SoftwoodGrampian]

So you’re saying he is not going to be very accurate going forward, then? I’m saying he is.

#BILLIEVE

[ThunderTung]

So you’re saying he is not going to be very accurate going forward, then? I’m saying he is.

#BILLIEVE

im saying im not going to give someone a characteristic that they havent earned

[SoftwoodGrampian]

Title of the thread my friend. You obv don’t believe.

[koalabear]

27 passing TDs and 4 INTs in his last 16 games is very good

[Jigga94]

27 passing TDs and 4 INTs in his last 16 games is very good

It's great that he hasn't been throwing picks. For all the inaccurate throws he has made, they haven't resulted in interceptions. Probably because most of them sailed 5-10 yards past all receivers but I digress lol

Adding to your stats... He's never thrown for a lot of TD, but after 3 games he already has half (10) of his passing TD from all last year (20). That's a 53 TD pace for anyone that loves extrapolating small sample sizes (Russ is on pace for 74 lol). He's T6 for completion %, 2nd in yards and TD with only 1 INT.

[CGW]

Small sample size. 3 weeks isn't enough to make him elite in real life football. I want to see how he plays when he's up against a real defense, in December when it's cold and defenses are in better swing of things. December of last year and the playoff game, his completion % was sub 50%.

For fantasy, he's gold. Top 6 likely in any format due to his rushing upside.

[Jfever]

Kuddos for the folks admitting they missed and prematurely wrote Allen off.

He is who some of us thought he would be. The over reacting to a low completion % for a young qb in cold weather climates with infeirior reciving options on a run first team was part of the issue here. Assuming it is all on mechanics - is part of this as well. He has always been a tough kid, a hard worker, and a leader. His intangibles are off the charts.

[mild]

I know we're all wanting to find conclusions around here 3 weeks in, because that is the most fun thing - and I'm not going to be popular throwing a little cold water on a start this hot AND fun. Josh Allen is admittedly still the biggest mystery box in the league to me, and he should be to you, too. That's my intro, here are my thoughts:

The addition of Stefon Diggs cannot be understated.
I think this is the biggest one. Adding (arguably) the best deep ball receiver in the league has been massive for Allen... for the easiest comparison, just look at other teams that have lost elite WR's this year... the Texans and Minnesota have both missed having an elite target BADLY, and the Cardinals and Bills offenses have both looked completely juiced from their 2019 forms. It's a big deal for Allen especially - because Diggs is -that- good at getting open deep, and at the contested catch point - that he is thus making up for (and even masking) a lot of the deficiencies in Allen's accuracy and placement.

Allen is still missing reads and not reading the field well, and is not (or may never be) a finished product as a passer.
Yes, I've seen the stat lines. They're insane. But the same Josh Allen is still in there, and he is still not reading the field well all the time - his decision making - to me - is still suspect.
I'm a big fan of JT o'Sullivan's QB school channel. He has already done a 30 minute breakdown of the Miami game, and I would encourage anyone wanting to argue for either side of this thread to have a watch - you will -always- learn something watching these. For everything good, there is something a little bit bad. There are still those "airmail" throws. There are still reads that go wanting, where he will instead fire the ball into double coverage. Are all of these things fixable? That's the question; and that's the mystery box of Allen.

This offense may still be solvable by top tier defenses with multiple good-to-great CB's
This is what I'm still most intrigued to see. Games against the Patriots, Chiefs, Steelers, and arguably Chargers may well tell us more, but if you watch the QB school video you will notice one thing that is re-occuring over... and over... and over... crossing routes. Absolutely loads of them. That is how the majority of this is getting done at the moment - and it makes sense, when you've got the speed of John Brown and Stefon Diggs on the field, and an offensive scheme that will frequently dictate Man coverage due to Allen's ability to break the pocket (because you often will commit extra defenders to the box to maintain contain).
The adjustment will come, and I'm interested to see how Allen and the Bills respond from there.

Thanks for listening to my Josh Allen ted talk, I'll get off the line now.

[FantasyFreak]

Kuddos for the folks admitting they missed and prematurely wrote Allen off.

He is who some of us thought he would be. The over reacting to a low completion % for a young qb in cold weather climates with infeirior reciving options on a run first team was part of the issue here. Assuming it is all on mechanics - is part of this as well. He has always been a tough kid, a hard worker, and a leader. His intangibles are off the charts.

I'm not one or the other. He's had a great 3 games. Looks vastly improved. However there is a larger track record of sub par passing, so I will need to see it longer and against some better teams before I am convinced. I was always convinced he was capable of big games, but I'm not convinced he can do this consistently, because he hasn't yet. He's certainly done better this year than most, if not all projected.