Anybody Who Doesn't Get Anthony Miller Will Be Missing Out On The Greatest/Cheapest WR In Years

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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:25 am

Yep. I hold most rookie WRs for AT LEAST 3 years before trading or dropping. Unless I took them really late as a flier and I need to make a WW move.
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QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

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QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

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QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby ninotoreS » Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:48 am

I just wish Miller wasn't already turning 25 this year. He checks practically every other major box on my list of the things I look for in developing WRs.
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby DallasCowboys » Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:04 pm

Great talent. But he won’t get ball unless a major injury happens to Gabriel or A Rob. Then he has to breakout in that window and win more targets. If that doesn’t happen he might not breakout till year 4. I watched tons of routes on NFL game pass. Looks like an inferior version of AB. He’s never been around NFL resources. It’s rumored hes always the hardest worker. Guy like him only need 1 offseason of training to take it to the next level. He’s a for sure hold. Although I’m considering investing in Preston Williams instead. I know I can steal him.

A Rob, Burton, Gabriel, Cohen, C Patterson.

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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby ninotoreS » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:08 am

DallasCowboys wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:04 pm he won’t get ball unless a major injury happens to Gabriel or A Rob. Then he has to breakout in that window and win more targets
I don't see Gabriel as much of a near-term roadblock. He barely did more than Miller despite 40 more targets -- I think he may even be released next offseason if he's as ineffective in '19 as he was in '18 (they didn't sign him to average 10 yards a catch). Robinson didn't exactly set the world on fire, either. And Miller already led them both in TDs with only 60 targets.

So far as I'm concerned, the present Bears WR depth-chart is fluid, and imminently climbable for Miller. He can line up at all three WR spots, so he's not restricted in potential role. I think alpha target share dominance in Nagy's offense is there for the taking by the first Chicago WR to truly assert himself as deserving of it.
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:13 am

DallasCowboys wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:04 pm Great talent. But he won’t get ball unless a major injury happens to Gabriel or A Rob. Then he has to breakout in that window and win more targets. If that doesn’t happen he might not breakout till year 4. I watched tons of routes on NFL game pass. Looks like an inferior version of AB. He’s never been around NFL resources. It’s rumored hes always the hardest worker. Guy like him only need 1 offseason of training to take it to the next level. He’s a for sure hold. Although I’m considering investing in Preston Williams instead. I know I can steal him.

A Rob, Burton, Gabriel, Cohen, C Patterson.
Um, unless Miller is a complete bum, he won’t have to “wait for an injury to Gabriel”. Taylor Gabriel is a one trick pony role player. Miller was drafted to be an every snap starting-WR.

He doesn’t even have to “beat out” ARob, he just has to be a full time player in a functioning offense in order to have a shot at being fantasy relevant week to week.
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:08 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:13 am
DallasCowboys wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:04 pm Great talent. But he won’t get ball unless a major injury happens to Gabriel or A Rob. Then he has to breakout in that window and win more targets. If that doesn’t happen he might not breakout till year 4. I watched tons of routes on NFL game pass. Looks like an inferior version of AB. He’s never been around NFL resources. It’s rumored hes always the hardest worker. Guy like him only need 1 offseason of training to take it to the next level. He’s a for sure hold. Although I’m considering investing in Preston Williams instead. I know I can steal him.

A Rob, Burton, Gabriel, Cohen, C Patterson.
Um, unless Miller is a complete bum, he won’t have to “wait for an injury to Gabriel”. Taylor Gabriel is a one trick pony role player. Miller was drafted to be an every snap starting-WR.

He doesn’t even have to “beat out” ARob, he just has to be a full time player in a functioning offense in order to have a shot at being fantasy relevant week to week.
Agree. Gabriel is speed. GO LONG. Miller is a much better overall player.
D3:
QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby DallasCowboys » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:29 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:08 am
lukkynumber13 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:13 am
DallasCowboys wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:04 pm Great talent. But he won’t get ball unless a major injury happens to Gabriel or A Rob. Then he has to breakout in that window and win more targets. If that doesn’t happen he might not breakout till year 4. I watched tons of routes on NFL game pass. Looks like an inferior version of AB. He’s never been around NFL resources. It’s rumored hes always the hardest worker. Guy like him only need 1 offseason of training to take it to the next level. He’s a for sure hold. Although I’m considering investing in Preston Williams instead. I know I can steal him.

A Rob, Burton, Gabriel, Cohen, C Patterson.
Um, unless Miller is a complete bum, he won’t have to “wait for an injury to Gabriel”. Taylor Gabriel is a one trick pony role player. Miller was drafted to be an every snap starting-WR.

He doesn’t even have to “beat out” ARob, he just has to be a full time player in a functioning offense in order to have a shot at being fantasy relevant week to week.
Agree. Gabriel is speed. GO LONG. Miller is a much better overall player.
So there’s been a misunderstanding in my analysis. You guys are bringing up terms like fantasy revelant. I’m talking in terms of fantasy dominance. Let’s go back to the basics because they are important. This system is build very well for the players that are in it. Gabriel will demand a certain amount of targets because they paid him to extend the field with his speed. It’s not his fault the QB can’t be accurate with the deep ball. But his speed opens up lanes because it must be respects. He gets end around, bubble screens, and deep balls. Arob is one of the best jump ball specialist in the league combine with great route running but below average separate quickness and speed. He’s a problem in the mid/ short range area when used correctly. Cohen has proven top scat back option in the league.

A miller has the skill to do it all, but it doesn’t make sense to build a system around the guy I watched on film last year. He looked like a WR2 skill last year. He can even demand WR2 numbers this year. But that’s what I drafted him as. I drafted him as a gamble for WR1 numbers. Only way he because a target dog before year 3 or 4 is if he takes his quickness to another level this offseason. Sometimes elite quickness is God given no matter how much you train. I’m gambling on the fact that he currently has WR2 skill and looks similar to rookie AB as a rookie. Slightly less explosive. He possesses the same traits as him. “Hardest Worker rumors”. I’m gambling on the fact that he has access to the best of the best trainers as opposed to college and that he will work his way to elite quickness. If he does, he will carry WR1 skill and have a chance at taking over. If he can’t reach another peak of quickness, his ceiling will stay where C Kirks is. WR2

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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby Space Cowboy » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:03 pm

Looked explosive and tough, I wouldn't pay his asking price but he looks like a nice piece.

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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby Ice » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 pm

Miller looks like a solid WR2 on his team. Fantasy wise his value is looking up. Don’t see him as a legit WR1 but should get better.

The overrated player in the group is ARob. He doesn’t separate enough to draw coverage away from Miller IMO.

Miller is an upside play going forward.
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:31 pm

Ice wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 pm Miller looks like a solid WR2 on his team. Fantasy wise his value is looking up. Don’t see him as a legit WR1 but should get better.

The overrated player in the group is ARob. He doesn’t separate enough to draw coverage away from Miller IMO.

Miller is an upside play going forward.
I agree with this. I think Robinson won't be worth his pay soon. Miller could be the #1 in a year or two.
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:39 pm

Ice wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 pm Miller looks like a solid WR2 on his team. Fantasy wise his value is looking up. Don’t see him as a legit WR1 but should get better.

The overrated player in the group is ARob. He doesn’t separate enough to draw coverage away from Miller IMO.

Miller is an upside play going forward.
This. I'm not a big ARob fan.
D3:
QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

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QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

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QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:02 pm

ninotoreS wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:48 am I just wish Miller wasn't already turning 25 this year. He checks practically every other major box on my list of the things I look for in developing WRs.
This. He's the same age as Amari Cooper.
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby koalabear » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:55 pm

My 1.10 and 2021 1st. His 2.02 and Miller. Who ya got?
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RB: Akers, CEH
WR: Chase, M Brown, Pittman, M Williams
TE: Tonyan, Hooper
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RB: Singletary, Harris
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby ninotoreS » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:05 pm

Miller side for me. If a bird in hand is worth two in the bush, then it's definitely worth just one in the bush. And I don't think there's a huge difference in value between 1.10 and 2.02 this year.
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Re: Anthony Miller value?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:52 pm

ninotoreS wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:05 pm Miller side for me. If a bird in hand is worth two in the bush, then it's definitely worth just one in the bush. And I don't think there's a huge difference in value between 1.10 and 2.02 this year.
If a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and you can kill 2 birds with one stone, then the logical thing seems to be to trade the bird in the hand for a stone.
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