Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby Elroypedro » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:16 am

I think you should trade for the studs whenever you can(especially young ones), and then rely on your ability to draft, trade, and use free agency better than your league mates to fill in depth again and again.
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RB: McCaffery, Guice, D Williams, Breida, Drake, Penny, S Ware, R Jones, J Adams, I Smith
WR: A Brown, Jeffery, Robinson, Ridley, Pettis, Miller, Shepard, Callaway, MVS, Washington
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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby Huh » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:59 pm

I’m a big depth guy. You need studs, but injuries are inevitable. In my twelve team there have been some of the best starting lineups you could imagine and they have all been completely derailed by two or so injuries. When it happens to me, I survive.

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby btv802 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:06 pm

My strategy is focused primarily on acquiring quality in depth and secondarily acquiring studs when the right opportunities present themselves. I’m not big on chasing studs at exhorbitant prices.
GREEN MOUNTAIN BOYS
12 Teams - 24 Active - 4 IR - 4 Taxi - 1pt PPR, 6pt Pass TDs, No INTs - 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX
QB: R. Wilson, T. Brady, K. Cousins
RB: M. Gordon, D. Cook, T. Coleman, J. McKinnon, I. Smith
WR: B. Cooks, J. Jones, A.J. Green, S. Watkins, M. Williams, M. Valdes-Scantling, J. Ross, M. Lee, T. Taylor, P. Richardson
TE: T. Kelce, D. Njoku, J. Smith
TAXI: B. Snell, M. Weber, K. Warring
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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby jonf86 » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:38 pm

Elroypedro wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:16 am I think you should trade for the studs whenever you can(especially young ones), and then rely on your ability to draft, trade, and use free agency better than your league mates to fill in depth again and again.
I agree. Studs maintain their trading value more than depth does. You can always trade studs for depth, you can't always trade depth for studs or at the very least, it's more challenging. Injuries will always happen, but I would deal with it as it occurs.
QB: D. Watson, T. Taylor, J. Driskel, J. Johnson, C. Rush, N. Sudfeld, M. White
RB: C. McCaffrey, C. Carson, K. Johnson, R. Penny, J. Samuels, D. Pumphrey
WR: J.J. Smith-Schuster, R. Woods, L. Fitzgerald, J. Nelson, M. Gallup R. Switzer, B. Berrios, C. Batson, R. Higgins, J. Kearse
TE: G. Kittle, I. Thomas, J Doyle, W. Dissly, J. Leggett, J. Gresham, T. Conklin
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QB: M. Stafford, J. Garoppolo
RB: I. Crowell, J. Williams, A. Abdullah, C.J. Anderson
WR: C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, W. Fuller, M. Valdez-Scantling, D.J. Chark, E. St. Brown, J. Kumerow, R. Higgins, C. Meredith, J. Kearse
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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby John Paul » Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:27 pm

Depth. I lost AJG and Kupp at WR and slid a RB into flex and ran with two receivers to the championship. I was deep at RB so it covered my WR losses. Obviously, you want to build around studs but get that depth any time you can.
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QB: Matt Stafford(Trade '22), Kirk Cousins(Trade '22), Baker Mayfield(Trade '22)
RB: Jonathan Taylor(Trade '21), ETN(trade '22), Breece Hall(1.02 '22), Deon Jackson (WW '23), Michael Carter (trade '23)
WR: Drake London (Trade '23), Jahan Dotson (Trade "23), Allen Robinson (Trade '22), Brandin Cooks (Trade '23), John Metchie III(2.02 "23), Rondale Moore(Trade '21), Kyle Philips(4.05 '22), Curtis Samuel (Trade '23)
TE: Kyle Pitts(Trade '22), Logan Thomas (WW "23)
LB: Logan Wilson (WW '22), Zaire Franklin (WW'23), Matt Judon (WW '23)
DB: M Fitzpatrick (WW '22), I Simmons (WW "23), Jamal Adams (WW "23)
DL: Chase Young(3.08/'20), Aidan Hutchinson (WW "23)

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby Pullo Vision » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:01 pm

btv802 wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:06 pm My strategy is focused primarily on acquiring quality in depth and secondarily acquiring studs when the right opportunities present themselves. I’m not big on chasing studs at exhorbitant prices.
I really like this answer.
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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby jetsfan5757 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:55 am

IR1 wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:54 am Usually look to acquire as many top 10 players at each position as I can, rather 3 guys in that range than pay for the super elite player
This exactly. I have wanted to package some of my depth for a top 3 dynasty asset, but can't bring myself to do it. So there is a bit of a "what is a stud" question? I think top 10 RBs and top 10 WRs are studs, but there are only 2 or 3 TEs I would call studs and not sure if there are any QBs I would call a stud at all. Mahomes was studly, and would probably be my top QB pick, but how sure are we that he will come close to that kind of production next year?

I like targeting the guys I mentioned as studs (mainly the top 10 WR/RBs), and would happily trade a combination of WR2s, RB2s, TE, QB to get them, but I won't trade an RB1 and a WR1 to upgrade to Zeke, Gurley, Kamara, OBJ, Thomas, etc.
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QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

K (1): M. Crosby

DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby jetsfan5757 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:07 am

Bot101 wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:25 pm So whats prompting me to ask this is I've had the mentality of having a few studs is better than having a deeper lineup but with less star power. Im in a 10 man league, so the emphasis is a little greater than a bigger dynasty league.

I traded the farm for Barkley. Gave Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, Derrius Guice, and Hunter Henry. Yet in the semi finals lost to a team that suffered numerous losses but had the depth, not of high end players, but adequate replacement.

So which do you prefer? Obviously in a perfect world we would all like star power and depth. But typically you see one or the other.
Also, I like this trade. It was close, but good trades usually are. You got unlucky as Michael Thomas and Tyreek Hill should be good enough to anchor a WR core. You can upgrade your WR/RB depth next year and you still have Barkley.

FWIW, not a big Tyreek fan. He's a league winning beast some weeks but has (relatively) quiet other weeks. I'll contradict my earlier post and say that I would trade a decent asset plus Tyreek for one of the WRs ranked ahead of him (Nuk, Thomas - you own, Davante, OBJ) and I would trade him straight up for JuJu. I'd trade him and Coleman for something like Evans + a RB upgrade over Coleman...
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)

QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

K (1): M. Crosby

DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby DLF3000 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:03 pm

It's about both. In your case, you had a big drop off in depth at WR, so the injury timing was brutal. But that's fantasy life in the NFL.
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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby meineymoe » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:07 pm

Bot101 wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:25 pm

So which do you prefer? Obviously in a perfect world we would all like star power and depth. But typically you see one or the other.
I must live in a perfect world! :biggrin:

The studs define your team. The depth can be worked on weekly - I make a waiver move every week in all of my leagues - I'm always looking to find a player who is an improvement over the last guy on my bench.

I don't mind the Barkley deal at all. It might take a little time to recoup the depth that was lost, but it is a process and can be done.

So if you had a poll on this question, I'd select the "both" option.

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby btv802 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:33 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:01 pm
btv802 wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:06 pm My strategy is focused primarily on acquiring quality in depth and secondarily acquiring studs when the right opportunities present themselves. I’m not big on chasing studs at exhorbitant prices.
I really like this answer.
Thank you kind sir :thumbup:
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12 Teams - 24 Active - 4 IR - 4 Taxi - 1pt PPR, 6pt Pass TDs, No INTs - 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX
QB: R. Wilson, T. Brady, K. Cousins
RB: M. Gordon, D. Cook, T. Coleman, J. McKinnon, I. Smith
WR: B. Cooks, J. Jones, A.J. Green, S. Watkins, M. Williams, M. Valdes-Scantling, J. Ross, M. Lee, T. Taylor, P. Richardson
TE: T. Kelce, D. Njoku, J. Smith
TAXI: B. Snell, M. Weber, K. Warring
2021: 3rd, 3rd, 4th

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby Inglorious » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:04 am

Interesting and glad to read peoples thoughts on trading for barkely as i'm in the boar of willing to offer above and beyond too

I offered 1.4, 1.9, 2.1, 2.8 + McKinnon but he wants K Allen (instead of McKinnon) from me and didn't know whether to cave and offer him it

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby Orenthal Shames » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:31 am

Inglorious wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:04 am Interesting and glad to read peoples thoughts on trading for barkely as i'm in the boar of willing to offer above and beyond too

I offered 1.4, 1.9, 2.1, 2.8 + McKinnon but he wants K Allen (instead of McKinnon) from me and didn't know whether to cave and offer him it
That package + KA seems more do-able. I can't see it getting done with McKinnon.
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RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby jetsfan5757 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:33 am

Inglorious wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:04 am Interesting and glad to read peoples thoughts on trading for barkely as i'm in the boar of willing to offer above and beyond too

I offered 1.4, 1.9, 2.1, 2.8 + McKinnon but he wants K Allen (instead of McKinnon) from me and didn't know whether to cave and offer him it
Tough one for me, but I don't have a ton of experience with trading picks (auction league only). There is a major gap between Allen and Barkley, but KA is still a top 10 WR and top 20 overall player.

Ideally I would want to give up less, but McKinnon won't get it done either. With the emergence of Breida he's not even a lock to dominate touches in his backfield. From what I have read, and my success rate at identifying the top rookies after the consensus top 2 or 3, all the picks you offered are kind of filler/lotto tickets. I would trade KA and all of the picks for Barkley. The more I think about it the more I like it. I'd pull the trigger.
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)

QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

K (1): M. Crosby

DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence

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Re: Building a dynasty - studs vs depth?

Postby Inglorious » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:34 am

Orenthal Shames wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:31 am
Inglorious wrote: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:04 am Interesting and glad to read peoples thoughts on trading for barkely as i'm in the boar of willing to offer above and beyond too

I offered 1.4, 1.9, 2.1, 2.8 + McKinnon but he wants K Allen (instead of McKinnon) from me and didn't know whether to cave and offer him it
That package + KA seems more do-able. I can't see it getting done with McKinnon.
Would you do it though with my team below?


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