Saquon Barkley - Dynasty Discussion Thread

[Unicorn92]

If this is had been a thread I apologize I didn't see it.

Call me crazy but is it time to consider Barkley already overtaking Gurley? Obviously both are absolute monsters so this is nitpicking but I'll go through some of my reasoning.

1. Age, I no it is minimal but Barkley will be 22 next season while Gurley will be 25, 3 year age difference for a RB is something to consider.

2. The difference after 11 games in ppr points per game is only 1 point edge to Gurley however Gurley is playing on an offense that is performing at the absolute peak whereas Barkley is producing on a dumpster fire team. I don't know if the Rams take a step back offensively if Gurley is affected or the WR's but someone will take a step back most likely in the future while it feels like the giants will continue to improve their O-line and potentially land the next big thing at Qb since they have such a high pick.

3. Both are 3 down backs but Barkley is currently on pace for 103 receptions....that is insane for a RB and seems like a much higher floor.

4. Both have top end speed but man it feels like Barkley is the only player on the field that can seriously take it to the house on any given play. Most of his long TD runs this season I think only Barkley himself would've been capable of pulling off.

Absolutely Saquon is the number 1 all positions included. A better offense will not make saquon better but a worst offense could make Gurley worst. We all see that in 2016 and the Giants offense is not really good actually

[Fezzik]

I did a 12 team ppr start-up this year and it went :
1.01 Gurley
1.02 Barkley

I’m surprised he was falling to 5 in some of your start-ups. Definitely the dynasty RB1.

When was this? Was it before the season?

[Jfever]

The Rb landscape changes so unbelievably fast, I'm hesitant to put any rb as my #1 "dynasty" asset. I understand the reasons completely and I wouldn't fault anyone with that opinion. But, lets not forget how quickly things for many rb can change, Heck L.Bell was top 2-4 just 6-7 months ago. Not that his situation is remotely close to Barkleys. Just saying that landscapes change quickly for rb in general. Injuries, scheme changes, etc. Barkley certainly has that incredibly special talent combined with an offense that has to check down and has to feed him. His situation is great now and it works well for his production now and that, combined with his young age equates to great value but, with the amount of touches one has to weigh the risks in dynasty as well. With changes undoubtedly coming for the Giants, one has to wonder if the touches will continue like we've see so far. They could, or ... maybe things change a bit. I typically don't over value young productive rb as much as the next guy. The rb position is incredibly volatile. Just 2 seasons ago many were greatly concerned with Gurley and his production. His scheme, coach, and Qb changed and look what we see. Guys like Hunt, J.Conner, come out of no where. I agree though that Barkley and Gurley are in their own tier at the top of all other rb's and both are major impact players on any dynasty team they are restored. I just prefer to build my teams around blue chip wr talent as much as possible, and - if I ever get lucky enough to draft an impact rb like one of these guys - I'd be ecstatic. It is just rare. I did get a positive outcome by drafting & rostering Kamara and J.Conner in a few leagues and combining them with stacked wr corp. In one league I'm rolling with Conner, Kamara,Nuk,OBJ,Juju,Evans as my core.

[thebeast]

Since we have a new Barkley thread I thought this would be an interesting topic to revisit. I find the opinions fascinating and I think you can learn a lot from this thread about how to weigh some posters advice... Because he has never played a snap in the NFL yet is not a good argument for how a player should be valued.

[Bot101]

No kidding wow. Love the crow some need to be eating right now.

[trc]

Because he has never played a snap in the NFL yet is not a good argument for how a player should be valued.

As a general rule for rookies this still applies.
And then you have the freak talents as outliers.

[DinoDynasty]

Barkley is on pace to score more fantasy points this year than Gurley in 2017 and DJ in 2016.

Current pace:
249/1205/12
103/846/6

He also accounts for 55% of the Giants TDS.

[DJB]

So glad i didn't listen to the pundits who said avoid Barkley in a startup. No issues now taking him at 4 in 12 team half PPR super flex! !!

[Bot101]

So glad i didn't listen to the pundits who said avoid Barkley in a startup. No issues now taking him at 4 in 12 team half PPR super flex! !!

Wait a sec you were one of the ones on page 1 saying hss too high.

[Ice]

I have Barkley in the top 4 of rb's but in reality owners need to temper their enthusiasm a bit on his receptions.

The reason he is getting so many receptions is the Giants have a terrible line and this is not a winning formula. As the Giants improve Line play his receptions will drop as they will be able to move the ball down field. The other issue is he struggles against the better run defenses on the ground. He dances around quite a bit. This will get better going forward but long term I don't see him a clear lock as a #1 overall asset.

No doubt he was worthy of 1.1 last year in rookie drafts and is a legit 1st round start up talent in dynasty.

Lots of changes soon in NYG land and that could have a negative impact on his excellent production to date.

Like Gurley & Zeke's situations much better in the next few years personally but wouldn't blame anyone for taking Barkley 1.1 as he is a stud.

[Phaded]

Just here to say I was wrong about how he would perform this year.
lol

It happens.

(still happy with what I got for 1.01 though)

[Goddard]

Just here to say I was wrong about how he would perform this year.
lol

It happens.

(still happy with what I got for 1.01 though)

Same here. For what it's worth, I don't think anyone said he would be a bust. Some of us just didn't think he'd be this good this soon. Kudos for those of you who earned the 1.01 last year...a great time to be really bad and get rewarded with Barkley. Also, good for all the ones who traded for him and drafted him in startups. I still think some of the prices he was going for last year was just ridiculous and still wouldn't pay that for him...or anyone else.

[bjd5211]

Is there anyone not taking him #1 overall next year (non-2QB)?

[badbuddah]

I think you can't go wrong with him or Gurley 1 and 2. I'd take Barkley purely off age but it is practically even. The bigger question is who is third overall in startups? CMC? I have to wonder.

[Jigga94]

I think you can't go wrong with him or Gurley 1 and 2. I'd take Barkley purely off age but it is practically even. The bigger question is who is third overall in startups? CMC? I have to wonder.

I wouldn't say anyone is wrong for CMC at 3 (he's definitely the 3rd RB to be taken) but I could see WR going there at the same time