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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:22 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm
jtsmalls wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am If this guy is still on your roster you can't evaluate talent. He's terrible people.
Tennessee's offensive line ranks 26th in adjusted line yards. So, naturally a north/south RB isn't going to run well behind that line at high volume. Their line had too many injuries to start the season and played some really good run defenses.

I still think Henry is a good buy low. I don't see this as a case of the talent not living up to expectations as much as I do an offense that just has nothing going for them right now.
Everyone's favorite savant running back Dion Lewis actually has a worse YPC than Henry.

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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby Cameron Giles » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:24 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:22 pm
Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm
jtsmalls wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am If this guy is still on your roster you can't evaluate talent. He's terrible people.
Tennessee's offensive line ranks 26th in adjusted line yards. So, naturally a north/south RB isn't going to run well behind that line at high volume. Their line had too many injuries to start the season and played some really good run defenses.

I still think Henry is a good buy low. I don't see this as a case of the talent not living up to expectations as much as I do an offense that just has nothing going for them right now.
Everyone's favorite savant running back Dion Lewis actually has a worse YPC than Henry.
Yep, both aren't doing anything. It's a run-first offense...that can't run. Like I said, I'd be buying low wherever I could. The offensive line has the talent to bounce back to the elite levels they were the past few years.

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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby snaps06 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:31 pm

ArrylT wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:17 pm The RB that Henry sort of reminds me of - not from a talent or profile perspective - but from a production history one - would be Mark Ingram.
That's interesting, because I just sold Derrick Henry for......Mark Ingram.

The full deal was Henry, 2019 mid-late 1st, and 2019 mid-late 3rd for Ingram and Boyd. Needed depth and a solid RB2 in a 14 team SF with 3 flex spots.

I'm all out on Henry, and I was a truther.

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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby ArrylT » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:46 pm

snaps06 wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:31 pm
ArrylT wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:17 pm The RB that Henry sort of reminds me of - not from a talent or profile perspective - but from a production history one - would be Mark Ingram.
That's interesting, because I just sold Derrick Henry for......Mark Ingram.

The full deal was Henry, 2019 mid-late 1st, and 2019 mid-late 3rd for Ingram and Boyd. Needed depth and a solid RB2 in a 14 team SF with 3 flex spots.

I'm all out on Henry, and I was a truther.
I like Henry but I think that is a good deal for you.

I just think it is interesting to compare Ingrams early situation to Henrys. Ingram for the first 3-4 years of his career was basically where Henry is now - always sharing or behind another RB in the backfield. Ingram had Sproles, Ivory, Pierre Thomas & even Khiry Robinson for a year keeping him from getting a full load - and Henry has had Demarco Murray and now Dion Lewis. Who knows what the future holds - maybe Tennessee is waiting for Henry to show them he doesnt need anyone sharing the load and they havent seen a sign that he is ready to do that yet *shrugs*
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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby ericanadian » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:11 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm
jtsmalls wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am If this guy is still on your roster you can't evaluate talent. He's terrible people.
Tennessee's offensive line ranks 26th in adjusted line yards. So, naturally a north/south RB isn't going to run well behind that line at high volume. Their line had too many injuries to start the season and played some really good run defenses.

I still think Henry is a good buy low. I don't see this as a case of the talent not living up to expectations as much as I do an offense that just has nothing going for them right now.
Does Henry run North/South though? I know he should, but a quick run through his highlights shows an awful lot of East/West and that stats have backed that up thus far in his career.
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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby jenkins.math » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:22 am

ericanadian wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:11 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm
jtsmalls wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am If this guy is still on your roster you can't evaluate talent. He's terrible people.
Tennessee's offensive line ranks 26th in adjusted line yards. So, naturally a north/south RB isn't going to run well behind that line at high volume. Their line had too many injuries to start the season and played some really good run defenses.

I still think Henry is a good buy low. I don't see this as a case of the talent not living up to expectations as much as I do an offense that just has nothing going for them right now.
Does Henry run North/South though? I know he should, but a quick run through his highlights shows an awful lot of East/West and that stats have backed that up thus far in his career.
No he doesn't run north/south and that is his problem. He tries to bounce way too many runs outside and plays so much smaller than his size. He looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane. He is 6'3" 250 lbs and gets pulled on 3rd and short in favor of Dion Lewis. He needs to be in a I formation with a 4 yard head of steam to really be effective like he was at Bama. The issue is that kind of offense doesn't really exist in today's NFL. I was never high on Derrick Henry and I just don't see him ever being much more than he is now.

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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby Pullo Vision » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:40 am

jtsmalls wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am If this guy is still on your roster you can't evaluate talent. He's terrible people.
Wrong. Derrick Henry is just one person.
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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:33 am

Pullo Vision wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:40 am
jtsmalls wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am If this guy is still on your roster you can't evaluate talent. He's terrible people.
Wrong. Derrick Henry is just one person.
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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:46 pm

jenkins.math wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:22 am
ericanadian wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:11 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Tennessee's offensive line ranks 26th in adjusted line yards. So, naturally a north/south RB isn't going to run well behind that line at high volume. Their line had too many injuries to start the season and played some really good run defenses.

I still think Henry is a good buy low. I don't see this as a case of the talent not living up to expectations as much as I do an offense that just has nothing going for them right now.
Does Henry run North/South though? I know he should, but a quick run through his highlights shows an awful lot of East/West and that stats have backed that up thus far in his career.
No he doesn't run north/south and that is his problem. He tries to bounce way too many runs outside and plays so much smaller than his size. He looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane. He is 6'3" 250 lbs and gets pulled on 3rd and short in favor of Dion Lewis. He needs to be in a I formation with a 4 yard head of steam to really be effective like he was at Bama. The issue is that kind of offense doesn't really exist in today's NFL. I was never high on Derrick Henry and I just don't see him ever being much more than he is now.
This is my biggest issue. He has great top end speed, but he needs a runway to get up to it. If he does, he can house it. If he not, it's alot of getting taken down at the LOS. He's a zero in the receiving game, so there is nothing bolstering that volatility.
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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby ArrylT » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:33 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:40 am
jtsmalls wrote: Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:47 am If this guy is still on your roster you can't evaluate talent. He's terrible people.
Wrong. Derrick Henry is just one person.
Maybe he meant Henry was as bad as any two other RBs ;)
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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby Rosenbluu » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:05 pm

Based on the way the TENN offense has looked this year it might be a good idea to change there offense and move to an I-Formation giving Henry a few yards to get his momentum moving forward.
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Postby hockeyBjj » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:14 pm

Tennessee is an absolute dumpster fire that just manages to win enough games to not get the high draft picks they need
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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby Jigga94 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:17 pm

hockeyBjj wrote: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:14 pm Tennessee is an absolute dumpster fire that just manages to win enough games to not get the high draft picks they need
Watched the whole game today (Go Ravens) and was like wait when did TEN get 3 wins? Mariota was awful. I partly blame the line but he held that ball way too long on most of the sacks

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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby dm1129 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:43 pm

jenkins.math wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:22 am
ericanadian wrote: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:11 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:10 pm

Tennessee's offensive line ranks 26th in adjusted line yards. So, naturally a north/south RB isn't going to run well behind that line at high volume. Their line had too many injuries to start the season and played some really good run defenses.

I still think Henry is a good buy low. I don't see this as a case of the talent not living up to expectations as much as I do an offense that just has nothing going for them right now.
Does Henry run North/South though? I know he should, but a quick run through his highlights shows an awful lot of East/West and that stats have backed that up thus far in his career.
No he doesn't run north/south and that is his problem. He tries to bounce way too many runs outside and plays so much smaller than his size. He looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane. He is 6'3" 250 lbs and gets pulled on 3rd and short in favor of Dion Lewis. He needs to be in a I formation with a 4 yard head of steam to really be effective like he was at Bama. The issue is that kind of offense doesn't really exist in today's NFL. I was never high on Derrick Henry and I just don't see him ever being much more than he is now.
No that is not his problem. Henry is not a classic north/south runner. His center of gravity is too high and his long legs prevent him from having the shiftiness necessary to run through traffic up the middle. That was exactly the problem with the way the previous coaching staff used him in their gap run scheme. The reality is Henry is not leaving yards on the field through a lack of vision, misreads, etc...there simply is no where to run as of yet. To this point, the entire offense is out of sync and performing horribly. I still believe that the zone running scheme of LaFleur will be a huge plus for Henry. Henry ran in a zone scheme at Alabama and he is perfectly suited for it. This entire offensive unit needs to improve and once it does, I believe Henry will start to put up big numbers.

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Re: Derrick Henry

Postby DJB » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:48 pm

Still aren't running the ball much. Ten sucks
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