Is Landry a Sell high ?
Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
Omg. The metrics cited in this thread are ridiculous. You guys take this too far. Landry is a baller, it’s that simple and thankfully CLE is using him better than Miami. This thread has been like watching a bunch of clowns get out of a tiny car.
Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
Some people were still convinced that Parker was better than Landry just less than a year ago.
Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
That's a rather strange stat to use... Jerry Rice made his living on the 5-7 yard slant and was long considered the best WR ever. Why are we dismissing yac... Isn't that solely on the WR and doesn't factor in the kind of route they were asked to run?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:48 pm Yards Per Reception wasn't the focus, since that includes YAC. It was Yards at the Catch, which Landry has usually ranked low in for four seasons. I'm not sure what the number is this year, but I'd assume it's higher so far. That's encouraging. I'm happy to be wrong about it though.
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Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
Because yards at the catch is a result of the route ran. It's not much different than targeted air yards, which just adds up the yards a ball travelled to get to the receiver on each target. These aren't strange stats at all. If a player has 111 receptions in a season, but his air yards and yards at the catch are low, then his production is influenced a lot by high volume.skip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:33 pmThat's a rather strange stat to use... Jerry Rice made his living on the 5-7 yard slant and was long considered the best WR ever. Why are we dismissing yac... Isn't that solely on the WR and doesn't factor in the kind of route they were asked to run?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:48 pm Yards Per Reception wasn't the focus, since that includes YAC. It was Yards at the Catch, which Landry has usually ranked low in for four seasons. I'm not sure what the number is this year, but I'd assume it's higher so far. That's encouraging. I'm happy to be wrong about it though.
I'm not saying yac doesn't matter at all but it can bloat yards per reception. None of this has been a problem so far in Cleveland, though it's just 3 games.
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Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
So are you using this to evaluate the talent of the receiver or just the expected production levels in the given offense?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:42 amBecause yards at the catch is a result of the route ran. It's not much different than targeted air yards, which just adds up the yards a ball travelled to get to the receiver on each target. These aren't strange stats at all. If a player has 111 receptions in a season, but his air yards and yards at the catch are low, then his production is influenced a lot by high volume.skip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:33 pmThat's a rather strange stat to use... Jerry Rice made his living on the 5-7 yard slant and was long considered the best WR ever. Why are we dismissing yac... Isn't that solely on the WR and doesn't factor in the kind of route they were asked to run?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:48 pm Yards Per Reception wasn't the focus, since that includes YAC. It was Yards at the Catch, which Landry has usually ranked low in for four seasons. I'm not sure what the number is this year, but I'd assume it's higher so far. That's encouraging. I'm happy to be wrong about it though.
I'm not saying yac doesn't matter at all but it can bloat yards per reception. None of this has been a problem so far in Cleveland, though it's just 3 games.
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Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
Landry is a good receiver. The purpose was to ask if it was concerning that his four years in the NFL have been super-reliant on low target depth. And if it was, what happens if the volume of those targets decreases in the same role.ericanadian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:47 amSo are you using this to evaluate the talent of the receiver or just the expected production levels in the given offense?Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:42 amBecause yards at the catch is a result of the route ran. It's not much different than targeted air yards, which just adds up the yards a ball travelled to get to the receiver on each target. These aren't strange stats at all. If a player has 111 receptions in a season, but his air yards and yards at the catch are low, then his production is influenced a lot by high volume.
I'm not saying yac doesn't matter at all but it can bloat yards per reception. None of this has been a problem so far in Cleveland, though it's just 3 games.
So far the numbers are day and night, and Cleveland is using him as a completely different player.
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Kinda makes you wonder if Miami has butchered Parker's development.
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Saw an interesting stat during the Cleveland Jets game. Last year, Landry was targeted 7 times on pass attempts of 20 yards or more. He secured 1 of them for 29 yards. His QBs rating on those pass attempts- 44.3.
Through the first 2 games this year, he was targeted 4 times for 20+ yards and secured 2 of them for 72 yards. His QBs passer rating on those- 95.8.
Through the first 2 games this year, he was targeted 4 times for 20+ yards and secured 2 of them for 72 yards. His QBs passer rating on those- 95.8.
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Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
True. Or how great Stills could be if they so horribly used Landry.
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Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
No Tannehill last year. He is one of the most underrated QB's in the entire league.Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:20 am Saw an interesting stat during the Cleveland Jets game. Last year, Landry was targeted 7 times on pass attempts of 20 yards or more. He secured 1 of them for 29 yards. His QBs rating on those pass attempts- 44.3.
Through the first 2 games this year, he was targeted 4 times for 20+ yards and secured 2 of them for 72 yards. His QBs passer rating on those- 95.8.
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Is Landry a Sell high ?
Or is Landry and Odell Beckham the Browns version of Thielen and Diggs ?
What is he going forward, Hold for contenders and Sell for rebuilding teams... ?
What is he going forward, Hold for contenders and Sell for rebuilding teams... ?
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Re: Is Landry a Sell high ?
I'd say hold for both, we know obj, I doubt this will be his level of production consistently going forward.
I love Landry, he has such great intangibles, he has the It factor for me, I think we can expect consistent WR2 production out of him
I love Landry, he has such great intangibles, he has the It factor for me, I think we can expect consistent WR2 production out of him
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Re: Is Landry a Sell high ?
I also like Landry's skillset, but I got him in a league where im two draft out, 2020 and 2021.
What would be to good to refuse ? Low end 1st ?
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Re: Is Landry a Sell high ?
Jarvis Landry has been one of the most underrated receivers in the NFL throughout his entire career and everyone always clutched on to his YPC from his final year as a Dolphin without evaluating the circumstances around it.
Landry has a lot of chemistry with Baker, that much is obvious. He is a gritty and tough player who brings a certain amount of intensity. He also works his bleep off.
I don't think he's a sell-high because I don't think you could even get "fair value" for him.
Landry has a lot of chemistry with Baker, that much is obvious. He is a gritty and tough player who brings a certain amount of intensity. He also works his bleep off.
I don't think he's a sell-high because I don't think you could even get "fair value" for him.
Re: Is Landry a Sell high ?
Id need an early first to move him, dude is a stud
Edit: Obviously he is befitting from the big brother effect of OBJ, but he has produced as a #1 in Miami before, and he has had a 900 yard floor for the past few seasons, imagine him as a #1 for a good QB? Deadly
Edit: Obviously he is befitting from the big brother effect of OBJ, but he has produced as a #1 in Miami before, and he has had a 900 yard floor for the past few seasons, imagine him as a #1 for a good QB? Deadly
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