New Idea re Determing Start-up Draft Order

[Cult of Dionysus]

So I just came up with an interesting idea in viewtopic.php?f=149&t=163502&p=1501335#p1501335 regarding how to determine the draft order of a start-up. Most of us would agree that a random determination is not terribly fair, from the standpoint that the 1.01 pick is worth a heck of a lot more than 1.12 or 1.16. And many would also agree that a full-blown start-up auction is not nearly as much fun as a start-up draft.

So why not have the best of both worlds.

Have an auction for start-up draft picks. Here's what I imagine. Have each of the top 36 draft picks (assuming a 12-team league) as well as draft slots 4.01 through 4.12 available up for an auction (so if you win 4.01, you get draft picks 4.01, 5.12, 6.01, 7.12, and so on). Each franchise can only win one draft slot. Each team gets a certain amount of bidding $$$ to bid on these 48 "assets."

This format would allow managers to determine who gets what top picks, but then also allows the league to have a proper start-up draft. More strategy, no random dice-rolls.

[kamihamster]

love it

[Pac_Eddy]

And many would also agree that a full-blown start-up auction is not nearly as much fun as a start-up draft.

This is new. I'm sure there's someone out there, but I haven't met anyone that prefers a startup draft over an auction.

If you must do a draft, that suggestion to auction off the top picks is better than a straight draft.

[moishetreats]

Here's my (impractical but, I think, brilliant) idea.

Year 1 of the league is NOT your start-up. It is a one-year redraft league done by total points. Standings determine the right to select your spot in the inaugural dynasty draft. The "buy-in" is your one-year advancement of league dues. (Feel free to have payouts, too.)

Impractical because I doubt that any group of owners would wait a year to launch. But, I think that it's brilliant in concept!

[moishetreats]

A more practical suggestion: Give everyone, say, $1,000 to spend on draft picks. Auction them off. You can nominate them in any order.

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I'm sure there's someone out there, but I haven't met anyone that prefers a startup draft over an auction.

I haven't done an auction league in 20 years. There is an appeal to both. At this point, I prefer drafting.

It's like saying you haven't met anyone who prefers non-PPR.

[playa_hata]

start up auctions are ten times better than a start up draft. i honestly wont do a start up if its a snake draft and not an auctoin. this is a cool idea but i still wouldnt partake id rather just do an auction for the players.

[playa_hata]

I'm sure there's someone out there, but I haven't met anyone that prefers a startup draft over an auction.

I haven't done an auction league in 20 years. There is an appeal to both. At this point, I prefer drafting.

It's like saying you haven't met anyone who prefers non-PPR.

just curious why do you like a snake draft better than an auction? i feel like in dynasty especially youre limited on the players you have available to you.

[Ruggenater]

I'm sure there's someone out there, but I haven't met anyone that prefers a startup draft over an auction.

I haven't done an auction league in 20 years. There is an appeal to both. At this point, I prefer drafting.

It's like saying you haven't met anyone who prefers non-PPR.

just curious why do you like a snake draft better than an auction? i feel like in dynasty especially youre limited on the players you have available to you.

I will only do auction drafts for redraft, but I'm on the side of snake being the way to go for dynasty start-ups. You want a longer timer for picks in a dynasty start-up, and while the auction concept is preferable overall, the "slow auction" settings for dynasty lead to stupid stuff like timing your nomination so the auction ends when most other owners are asleep, etc. I think OP's concept is an awesome idea for bringing the best of both worlds together.

[BigBawseRoss]

i think a random dice roll is as fair as it gets lol.

i also cannot stand auctions, for any reason or length.

[Sterling Archer]

start up auctions are ten times better than a start up draft. i honestly wont do a start up if its a snake draft and not an auctoin. this is a cool idea but i still wouldnt partake id rather just do an auction for the players.

This. I wouldn't even entertain the idea of doing a startup snake draft. Snake drafts are so restrictive.

[ArrylT]

Auction draft vs. startup draft is like saying Pepsi vs. Coke, Jerry Rice vs. Randy Moss or Emmitt Smith vs. Walter Payton. It all comes down to personal preference. Each has their own pros and cons.

Same with 3rd round reversal, kentucky derby (choose your own draft spot) and so forth.

Never hurts to try different formats, but like I said each has their own pros and cons - there is no one way that is proven to be better for everyone involved. Kudos to the OP for thinking of a new way to explore and I hope you try it out - and that 1 year re-draft leading to a dynasty startup idea is cool also (but of course you have to get 12 long term commitments AND agree on a draft order for the re-draft haha).

[Cult of Dionysus]

Coke, Rice, Payton.

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I'm sure there's someone out there, but I haven't met anyone that prefers a startup draft over an auction.

I haven't done an auction league in 20 years. There is an appeal to both. At this point, I prefer drafting.

It's like saying you haven't met anyone who prefers non-PPR.

just curious why do you like a snake draft better than an auction? i feel like in dynasty especially youre limited on the players you have available to you.

Auctions need to be done live. In all of my years doing auction, rarely does every owner show up. Coordination is a nightmare trying to work around family, jobs, etc.

I also do the majority of my trading during a draft. If there is no maneuvering of draft picks, that takes away the primary method I use to build my teams.

[Cult of Dionysus]

Slow auctions are a tactical and strategic challenge, far beyond drafting adp.