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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby Vcize » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:35 am

Why did people/teams make a so much bigger deal about him outing the combine questions than they did when Dez did it? Their quotes on the matter were almost exactly the same.
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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby ArrylT » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:04 am

All I know is that when the Redskins made their Guice selection they said Derrius!
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:17 am

Vcize wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:35 am Why did people/teams make a so much bigger deal about him outing the combine questions than they did when Dez did it? Their quotes on the matter were almost exactly the same.
It's the fact that Guice allegedly lied about it. I'm not exactly sure if he says he didn't remember which team asked him b/c he didn't want to out the particular team, or if he lied about it.

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby btv802 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:51 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:17 am
Vcize wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:35 am Why did people/teams make a so much bigger deal about him outing the combine questions than they did when Dez did it? Their quotes on the matter were almost exactly the same.
It's the fact that Guice allegedly lied about it. I'm not exactly sure if he says he didn't remember which team asked him b/c he didn't want to out the particular team, or if he lied about it.
Can't imagine why in the middle of the draft process Guice would choose to make up a lie about something like that...but if it's true he deserved what happened.
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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby Phaded » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:54 pm

Or maybe the whole thing was orchestrated as a plan to go to the Redskins.

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby hockeyBjj » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:56 pm

Vcize wrote: Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:20 pm It's not like he fell to the 5th round. He fell later in the same round he was probably going to go in anyway. It was dramatic while it was going on but in the end he ended up as a 2nd round pick in a good situation, which is pretty much what everyone was hoping for going into the draft.
This is how I feel. It was crazy how he fell in regards to the other Rbs going before him, but If it had simply been Barkley at 2, Chubb late first or early second, then Guice at this point in the 2nd to the skins, this wouldn't even be a discussion

Still a 2nd round RB, a talented one on film, and to a better landing spot than many of the other backs

I really did find it interesting, before the rumors and stuff came out, with both Michel and Sony going before Guice when I created this thread
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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby Cowboysfan33 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:52 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:17 am
Vcize wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:35 am Why did people/teams make a so much bigger deal about him outing the combine questions than they did when Dez did it? Their quotes on the matter were almost exactly the same.
It's the fact that Guice allegedly lied about it. I'm not exactly sure if he says he didn't remember which team asked him b/c he didn't want to out the particular team, or if he lied about it.
I actually think he dropped more because he “supposedly” had some off the field incidents while at LSU. Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know but we all know how much teams do as far as background checks. It’s just a gamble, maybe nothing ever comes of it and he’s a stud but it probable just comes down to if an owner is risk adverse or not.

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:36 pm

Jason wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:25 am Redskins senior VP of player personnel Doug Williams said he is not worried about second-round RB Derrius Guice.

Williams seemed to shoot down rumors of off-field concerns. "For this kid, who doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, hasn’t been arrested, no failed drug tests," Williams said. "He’s a happy-go-lucky kid." Williams also said he grew up in the same area as Guice, so he understands what it took for him to get where he is today. It is looking like Washington got a steal late in the second round.


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Very nice piece on Guice. I'm a fan. I think a year from now we're gonna look back on all this off-field stuff as nothing but pre-draft fluff. I think he'll flourish better in a locker room that embraces his personality, unlike a place like NE that wants an army of robots lol.

I feel like the combine questions probably happened and his agent probably tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube by putting the gag order on him...but the damage was done to his stock. On the bright side going in the 2nd round as opposed to late 1st means he gets his 2nd contract a year earlier so it might work out anyway but he's gotta keep his nose clean going forward, the TMZ vultures will be lurking lol.
What else is the guy who just drafted him going to say? I agree that Guice's "fall" isn't significant enough to matter, but when NFL teams flag a guy for character concerns, more times than not it comes back full circle: DGB, Randy Gregory, and Rueben Foster are some of the recent names.

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby jetsfan5757 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:40 pm

My RB rankings. Pretty much unchanged by the draft.

Barkley: duh
Juice: Don't care he went later. Great situation.
Chubb: Not 100% back last year, but looked good. If he regains all previous athleticism, look out!
Jones: Love the situation. Should be the man in a decent offense. Biggest bust risk though in the guys I ranked.
Penny / Michael (I see them evenly, but gun to my head I take Penny first. Less competition for touches, although I like Michael in D Lewis role)
Freeman: Like the situation as well. Draft spot holding me back a bit.

Forget the rest.

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby Space Cowboy » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:23 pm

btv802 wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:51 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:17 am
Vcize wrote: Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:35 am Why did people/teams make a so much bigger deal about him outing the combine questions than they did when Dez did it? Their quotes on the matter were almost exactly the same.
It's the fact that Guice allegedly lied about it. I'm not exactly sure if he says he didn't remember which team asked him b/c he didn't want to out the particular team, or if he lied about it.
Can't imagine why in the middle of the draft process Guice would choose to make up a lie about something like that...but if it's true he deserved what happened.
That's the big concern. If he lied that's just some serious mental instability.

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby knut45 » Tue May 01, 2018 1:22 am

Oooo please let him fall to me at 1.03

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby BigBawseRoss » Tue May 01, 2018 6:17 am

i would doubt very highly people with millions of dollars on the line based their decision on a player saying he was asked offensive questions
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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby ericanadian » Tue May 01, 2018 3:04 pm

Was listening to Ross Tucker and he brought up that Guice changed agents just before the draft and it's possible said agent may have told teams things he otherwise would not have. Not sure how credible that is, but seems a possibility.
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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby ImaRounder » Tue May 01, 2018 6:56 pm

What I'm guessing happened was he was asked those questions for real, then someone he trusted told him not to talk about it or teams don't like people they can't trust or something like that.

After that, he tried to take the blame and say he made it up to prove to those teams he can be trusted and get the investigation off the teams' back.

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Re: Guice not top 3 RB to NFL

Postby DLF3000 » Tue May 01, 2018 7:09 pm

No surprise whatsoever, there will always be some scumbags asking scumbag questions and wanting it kept quiet in a multi-billion dollar industry.
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