Josh Allen - Time to Believe!

[Jason3123]

My god.

[Bot101]

What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.

Once again your response about Baker sucks and lacks any merit whatsoever. Allen did throw horribly short passes, that's why his Y/A sucks. Favre was a 2nd round pick, not the #1 pick, which is what everyone is arguing in this thread, that Allen shouldn't be the #1 pick..or a 1st round pick in general. Also, congrats on choosing 1 out of a 1,000 QB prospects for your argument. Favre is an outlier. Don't chase outliers.

Lol ok dude, well let’s hear your reasons why he shouldn’t be the 1st pick or taken in the 1st round, without using stats. Break it down for us kid. Let’s hear it. Why is he so ‘inaccurate’?

What???

[myndflyte]

Ok now this is just getting to new levels of ridiculousness.

[tresskid84]

lol, can't use data or stats, can't use your eyes because he just accuses you of not watching tape anyway. Reminds me of the political atmosphere at the moment, lol.

[Gtdano_14]

Weeding out the sounds coming from other players, fans, coaches and announcers... If you just close your eyes and listen to him play, he does sound like the first overall pick.

[Cameron Giles]

FWIW, if I were an NFL GM, I would probably take Rosen first (although, I’d be really worried his concussions). Of the other top 5 QBs: Darnold’s turnovers and regression in 2017 are concerning, Allen obviously has the accuracy issues, Jackson has comparable accuracy issues to Allen, and Mayfield is probably the least risky, but I don’t see the high ceiling that the others offer.

Darnold did regress, but it wasn't like he went from great college QB to awful college QB. He was still very good last season.

I just don't see how the Browns can pass on him. Granted, this may be the best front office they've had to make a decision like this. But, I really feel like you have to play it "safe" and go with Darnold.

[ericanadian]

Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.

What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.

I'm not sure Favre & Marino are comparable. I'm sure Terry Bradshaw & Otto Graham had a gutless completion rate in college too, but how far back is it reasonable to go with the extensive rule changes that college football has seen? I think when you're looking nearly thirty years in the past, you're really stretching.

[tresskid84]

Weeding out the sounds coming from other players, fans, coaches and announcers... If you just close your eyes and listen to him play, he does sound like the first overall pick.

[ericanadian]

Stafford and Ryan did have completion %’s below 60% but Stafford crushed Allen in AYA. Ryan’s senior year was on par with Allen in terms of AYA and % but he wasn’t nearly the raw prospect Allen is. Ryan also threw the ball over 600+ times for over 4,500 yards his senior year. Allen wasn’t nearly the focal point of his offense that Ryan was. Allen was basically hidden by his coaches.

What’s your excuse for Dan Marino and Brett Favre? Both had worse college stats than Allen. And dude if they were trying to hide Allen then he wouldn’t have been the starter. Gtfo of here with that. If they were trying to hide him then they wouldn’t of had him throw down field. They would of had him throw short wide open passes like Mayfield.

Once again your response about Baker sucks and lacks any merit whatsoever. Allen did throw horribly short passes, that's why his Y/A sucks. Favre was a 2nd round pick, not the #1 pick, which is what everyone is arguing in this thread, that Allen shouldn't be the #1 pick..or a 1st round pick in general. Also, congrats on choosing 1 out of a 1,000 QB prospects for your argument. Favre is an outlier. Don't chase outliers.

Allen's YPA was solid (8.6) in 2016 and his college career numbers of 7.8 is decent. If you're arguing solely on his 2017 performance than you need to abandon the argument that he was "hidden" because Allen was the whole of the offense in 2017.

[Pew Dogs]

I apologize if what I want to say about Allen has been said earlier but I've only had time to read the last two pages of posts. Assuming Allen is good enough to at least be in the discussion with the other potential first round QBs (enter stat guys along with the Silvas, Mayocks, and Waldmans) then the ONE thing that jumps out at me is his supposed potential ability to handle cold and wind. Big body, big hands, strong armed ... sound like a Ben Roethlisberger in the making, while hopefully not being a Blake Bortles). That has to make him a bit more attractive to the Browns, Giants, Jets, Broncos, and Bills. And oh looky looky, see who needs a QB? So to me, that's why he's in the discussion with two southern California pretty boys and two little guys.

[tresskid84]

I understand why he is attractive to teams, I just think he is more likely to be a mistake than to succeed. He has tools/traits that you can't teach. However, he, more than any of the other qbs, needs to land in the right spot where he will be coached well to fix his many flaws reading the field, making good decisions, and throwing the ball accurately (especially throwing guys open/hitting them in stride). A guy like Baker does have a lot of easy/manufactured throws. But when you watch Baker, most of his passes are perfectly placed to give the receiver opportunity to maximize his yards after the catch. When I watch Josh Allen, even on his easy completions, a much higher percentage of the time he is throwing to spots where his receivers have to stop or adjust to the pass, giving defenses the chance to react quicker and make a tackle.

[Bot101]

I believe if Dorsey sticks to his guns and truly keeps this kid on the bench for at least 1 full season, then yeah he might turn into something. But Allen will need to deliver on his end. He needs to become a student of the game and keep working on his mechanics. Its a lot for all parties involved for this to go right. Fortunately he could step into a great supporting cast. Gordon/Landry/Njoku/Duke/Coleman is a great group to help succeed. Assuming they are all there when Allen starts.

[tresskid84]

I believe if Dorsey sticks to his guns and truly keeps this kid on the bench for at least 1 full season, then yeah he might turn into something. But Allen will need to deliver on his end. He needs to become a student of the game and keep working on his mechanics. Its a lot for all parties involved for this to go right. Fortunately he could step into a great supporting cast. Gordon/Landry/Njoku/Duke/Coleman is a great group to help succeed. Assuming they are all there when Allen starts.

They have a solid oline too, especially if they can find a decent LT.

[XxBallMeBlazerxX]

lol, can't use data or stats, can't use your eyes because he just accuses you of not watching tape anyway. Reminds me of the political atmosphere at the moment, lol.

https://youtu.be/OwbJSYqxBK0?t=25s - god look at that horrible throw, that thing sailed on Allen wow

https://youtu.be/OwbJSYqxBK0?t=43s - dang you're right, Allen can't throw short accurate passes...

https://youtu.be/OwbJSYqxBK0?t=5m41s - another overthrown short pass for Allen

https://youtu.be/yqa39wzrhh8?t=1m - this is all Allens fault, why is he so bad

https://youtu.be/yqa39wzrhh8?t=1m16s - thank god Allen has such great receivers

https://youtu.be/yqa39wzrhh8 - just watch this thing go nowhere near his receivers....

https://youtu.be/9pqRs8Z8eGA?t=3m59s - why does he make it so hard for his receivers

i can keep going if you want me too. there is plenty of film to choose from. Allen throws the ball and it goes where he wants it to go, that is accuracy my friend. do some throws get away from him or look bad? yes they do but it doesn't happen all the time like everyone on here makes it sound. you can nitpick all the stats you want to but just looking at his tape will tell you he isn't that inaccurate.

one more on Allen https://youtu.be/QDXjTDB24cI?t=42s - that is thrown with touch

and here is one from the almighty Baker Mayfield, your boy - https://youtu.be/qUOlW3qhZ7E?t=6m11s - look at that accuracy

[Phaded]

Hopefully take this with a grain of salt - but it is food for thought nonetheless when you're talking about his potential.
Boom or bust prospect if you ask me; but with the history of quarterbacks in the first round - you could probably say that about most QBs.