Kenyan Drake - Signed by Oakland

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The Drake owner is offering me Drake for 2.2 and Booker...Booker means nothing to me but 2.2 still has decent value.

2.2 is a sell point, not a buy point.

[Jfever]

If I read that correctly, He'd be selling Drake FOR the 2.2 and Booker.

I value Drake as a late 1st early 2nd. Meaning, that is what I'd sell him for. If I cant find a buy for that, I'd rather roster Drake and hope he stays healthy and continues is production from the back half of last season. Gore, I doubt is a big threat, and I'd be willing to bet they do bring in rb help but likely not too early in the draft. I wholeheartedly agree with Yeti's point / post above.

[jeffster]

I bought him before the playoffs for what became 1.10, and I feel pretty good about it even now. Aside from the playoff help, I think it's rather notable that Miami didn't sign CJA, who we know they liked last yearbefore he put up 1k yards in an anemic offense.

I would consider buying even now for a late 1st, like 1.11 or 1.12. The hit rate on those picks is generally abysmal, despite what rookie fever is telling people right now.

[joeday]

If I read that correctly, He'd be selling Drake FOR the 2.2 and Booker.

I value Drake as a late 1st early 2nd. Meaning, that is what I'd sell him for. If I cant find a buy for that, I'd rather roster Drake and hope he stays healthy and continues is production from the back half of last season. Gore, I doubt is a big threat, and I'd be willing to bet they do bring in rb help but likely not too early in the draft. I wholeheartedly agree with Yeti's point / post above.

Actually Drake was offered to me. Sorry for the confusion.

[Madadamus]

In 1 QB I wouldn’t sell for a 2nd. There is a cliff that falls off after Freeman/Johnson and they are usually gone by the end of the 1st.

Unless you want to take a shot on Kirk or Washington falling, I’d accept.

[Cowboysfan33]

I think 2.2 is a decent price for Drake. I also look at the Gore signing, as more of a positive, the Dolphins have quite a few needs, I don’t see them taking a RB that early and even though it’s not a huge sample size, Drake looked really good last season. I agree with some of the others, I think around late first is about what he’s worth.

[Mjvb5]

Don't see the Dolphins signing CJA or drafting an RB early, signing CJA would be weird having two veteran backs and a younger guy none of whom play ST and all would want carries. In the draft there's too many needs, TE, LB,DT, FS, CB, RT/RG
Realized I didn''t answer lol I wouldnt sell for anything outside round 1

[j2cain]

I sold Drake and 2.2 for Duke/1.10/2.11 FWIW

[ImaRounder]

The Drake owner is offering me Drake for 2.2 and Booker...Booker means nothing to me but 2.2 still has decent value.

why does booker mean nothing to you?

[clarion contrarion]

current adp on DLF has him closest to the 1;8 that seems too rich but I would want a late 1st or I hold him - frank gore doesn't concern me cj anderson going there concerns me very little & I think dolphins have so many needs that the chances of them drafting a rb highly is remote . I think drake is a decent add - damian williams is gone so at the very worst he is getting the pass catching work and has proven at least viable running the ball.

[Forza_Azzurri]

I think 2.2 is a decent price for Drake. I also look at the Gore signing, as more of a positive, the Dolphins have quite a few needs, I don’t see them taking a RB that early and even though it’s not a huge sample size, Drake looked really good last season. I agree with some of the others, I think around late first is about what he’s worth.

As a Drake owner, the Gore signing was great news. The Fins believe in Drake but brought in the hometown guy in Gore as an insurance policy. I'd be shocked if they sign CJA or draft a RB in the first 3 rounds.

[Jason3123]

I think 2.2 is a decent price for Drake. I also look at the Gore signing, as more of a positive, the Dolphins have quite a few needs, I don’t see them taking a RB that early and even though it’s not a huge sample size, Drake looked really good last season. I agree with some of the others, I think around late first is about what he’s worth.

x2. It protected Drake.

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I'm admittedly "anti" RB at this time of year as it relates to speculating on upcoming season value/production with guys like Drake and it comes up every season as I always find myself lobbying against the idea that a backup-made-starter due to injuries, trades, etc. is going to go back to a backup role.

I don't view the Gore signing as good for Drake at all. Thinking this way makes it sound like Gore is no longer a viable starter in the league. I don't believe that. Granted he turns 35 next month and as a general rule this is already well past the age of a typical starting RB...he also hasn't missed a game since 2010 and consistently had 250+ carries every season. There is no way he's coming in to a very reduced role. At a bare minimum this is a time share. I'm sure some will come in pointing to his ypc (which we all know is a suspect stat anyway), but the Colts haven't been a good rushing team in a long time so it would be no surprise to put up those numbers anyway.

As to CJA, connecting their decision not to trade for him or sign him as a free agent (yet) is not something to be viewed as support for Drake. It could mean nothing more than a) they don't want to spend resources on someone who they could get via free agency and b) they are waiting until after the NFL draft. He's hardly the only free agent RB unsigned who can and likely will contribute to a team in 2018.

Back to Drake... He produced well over the last month of 2017. But there was also a reason he went into the year 3rd on the depth chart. The Dolphins then traded away Ajayi and it was Damien Williams named the starter...depending on the source it was called a time share. It was only a product of injury that Drake then become the starter on his own. I am unconvinced that a player viewed as a 3rd stringer one season is going to remain the lead back for any significant length of time. If I'm going to invest a 1st round pick, I want to have complete confidence that player is the starter.

[_yeti]

I'm admittedly "anti" RB at this time of year as it relates to speculating on upcoming season value/production with guys like Drake and it comes up every season as I always find myself lobbying against the idea that a backup-made-starter due to injuries, trades, etc. is going to go back to a backup role.

I don't view the Gore signing as good for Drake at all. Thinking this way makes it sound like Gore is no longer a viable starter in the league. I don't believe that. Granted he turns 35 next month and as a general rule this is already well past the age of a typical starting RB...he also hasn't missed a game since 2010 and consistently had 250+ carries every season. There is no way he's coming in to a very reduced role. At a bare minimum this is a time share. I'm sure some will come in pointing to his ypc (which we all know is a suspect stat anyway), but the Colts haven't been a good rushing team in a long time so it would be no surprise to put up those numbers anyway.

As to CJA, connecting their decision not to trade for him or sign him as a free agent (yet) is not something to be viewed as support for Drake. It could mean nothing more than a) they don't want to spend resources on someone who they could get via free agency and b) they are waiting until after the NFL draft. He's hardly the only free agent RB unsigned who can and likely will contribute to a team in 2018.

Back to Drake... He produced well over the last month of 2017. But there was also a reason he went into the year 3rd on the depth chart. The Dolphins then traded away Ajayi and it was Damien Williams named the starter...depending on the source it was called a time share. It was only a product of injury that Drake then become the starter on his own. I am unconvinced that a player viewed as a 3rd stringer one season is going to remain the lead back for any significant length of time. If I'm going to invest a 1st round pick, I want to have complete confidence that player is the starter.

Gotta disagree. Gore has been the ultimate iron man, but 35, this is where the bottom falls out. You can't tout prior consistency, so many great and good players have abruptly hit a wall in their 30s and he is basically in no-man's land for this era of RBs. To say a time-share minimum is extremely optimistic for Gore. I say the wall comes this year, like it also did for Foster. I think at the very best Gore works his way into short yardage situations. But no way does he end up on the better side of 40% in a time-share, and I really doubt even that will happen. Drake will be given first shot at a bell-cow role and Gore will be used to fill in if needed.

As for Drake, this is where we are going to rehash the "backup to starter" debate again. *I am not making this another Mckinnon thread, this only relates to Drake* but Drake reminds me a lot of McKinnon. How? He is more of an athlete than a typical bell-cow back. He never was the feature due to him being the "lighting" to someone else's thunder (Henry in college, then Ajayi). Damien Williams? What a joke. That's similar to the "Asiata" was ahead of McKinnon argument, which holds no water by the way. Drake is a kick/punt returner, great receiving back, great athlete. It's just will his health hold up and can he be an every-down back when it comes to the tough physical yardage teams need. Backups generally don't become viable starters, but you can't look at every situation as the same.

I am selling on Drake bc I think he is the type of back to get dinged up with the full workload, but like McKinnon, I am buying on his talent.

[joeday]

The Drake owner is offering me Drake for 2.2 and Booker...Booker means nothing to me but 2.2 still has decent value.

why does booker mean nothing to you?

I doubt the Broncos go into the season with him as the starter...maybe I am glossing over him too quickly?