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Re: Julio jones

Postby Jfever » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:56 pm

:clap: Well said.
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Re: Julio jones

Postby Pac_Eddy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:26 pm

dynastyninja wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:54 pmI can't even believe what I'm reading. The last three years he has been the WR6, WR2, and WR7. How should he be performing?
He should be getting in the end zone.

Most of my leagues are 0.5 ppr, so maybe that sways things a bit. He's currently WR17 ( 1 TD). Last year he was WR7 (6 TD) . In 2015 he was WR2 (8 TD).

He's been billed as a top tier WR. I'm saying he's not in that top tier, that's all. Part of that may be because he's got a high floor, but also rarely puts up a monster week for you, with multiple TDs & big yardage, like AB or OBJ.
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Re: Julio jones

Postby ImaRounder » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:49 pm

Curious to see a TY Hilton and Julio per game comparison over the last two years. I'm guessing it's pretty similar.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby StableOfRBs » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:59 pm

ImaRounder wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:49 pm Curious to see a TY Hilton and Julio per game comparison over the last two years. I'm guessing it's pretty similar.
Start of 2016 until now.

TY: 4.9 catches per game, 83.6 yards per game, 0.35 TDs per game
Total: 26 games, 127 catches, 2173 yards, 9 TDs

Julio: 5.7 catches per game, 91.5 yards per game, .29 TDs per game
Total: 24 games, 137 catches, 2195 yards, 7 TDs
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Re: Julio jones

Postby Coogan Football » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:28 pm

Phaded wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm I'm not worried about Julio at all since I see no concern with Julio himself.
Dude is still elite - the team has just transitioned to a more balanced team and the OC is substantially less aggressive than other OCs. The team has only thrown 7 TDs to WRs in the redzone all year. They don't feed Julio (although the HC keeps calling for it).

To say he is not in the elite tier is laughable because of one "down year" in which he is still 4th in the league in receiving yards. Yes, the touchdowns aren't coming but this community is so knee-jerk it is hilarious. I remember the freak out by so many people when Mike Evans had only 3 touchdowns in his second year. We aren't talking about some fall to being an irrelevant receiver. If him struggling and having an off-year is 4th in the league in receiving yards, give me that guy every time.

Evans has 160 less yards in 1 less game, should we start freaking out about him too?

In the last 3 years for Julio:
83/1409/6 in 14 games.
136/1871/8 in 16 games.
104/1593/6 in 15 games.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby dynastyninja » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:36 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:26 pm
dynastyninja wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:54 pmI can't even believe what I'm reading. The last three years he has been the WR6, WR2, and WR7. How should he be performing?
He should be getting in the end zone.

Most of my leagues are 0.5 ppr, so maybe that sways things a bit. He's currently WR17 ( 1 TD). Last year he was WR7 (6 TD) . In 2015 he was WR2 (8 TD).

He's been billed as a top tier WR. I'm saying he's not in that top tier, that's all. Part of that may be because he's got a high floor, but also rarely puts up a monster week for you, with multiple TDs & big yardage, like AB or OBJ.
Sorry man, I just can't see your point here. He's been a top tier receiver consistently up until this season. You're acting like he's not been producing like an elite receiver when he definitely has up until this season. Fantasy points are fantasy points. Doesn't matter how they get them.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby adammc44 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:14 pm

The thing that's so frustrating this year is they are finally targeting him tons in the redzone. I mean I've seen them miss several times on goal line fades and of course that drop the other week was killer. I agree with the sentiment that if the right offer came along maybe it's time to move and I can see the shades of Calvin, but still think you've got to consider him a top wr, fair if you want to knock him down out of the top 3 or 5 but certainly still in the top 10 for me. There's a few things happening, Ryan doesn't key on him and force feed him 17 targets a game anymore, the offense has regressed, and he's just had crappy luck on tds. I mean let's say he has even 5 tds at this point, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Postby nathanq42 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:01 pm

Evans is 5 years younger and has 4 TDs, that is why I'm not getting out about him
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Re: Julio jones

Postby Cameron Giles » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:00 pm

FWIW, Julio is PFF's 2nd highest grade WR this season. Antonio Brown is #1.

Again, this is mostly a conversation that boils down to touchdowns. While some players are typically more likely to get touchdowns because of their size around the redzone, touchdowns remain a random occurence. Jones is on pace for 86 receptions and 1,258 yards. If you gave him 8 touchdowns along with that, is anyone concerned? That's easily a WR1 finish.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby Jason3123 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:07 pm

Because fantasy players hate streaky WR's (see Brandin Cooks narrative), even though 95% of WR's are streaky lol.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby Cameron Giles » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:52 pm

Jason3123 wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:07 pm Because fantasy players hate streaky WR's (see Brandin Cooks narrative), even though 95% of WR's are streaky lol.
Agreed. This whole consistency narrative is like chasing Bigfoot. Gameflow, matchups and system determine too much for any player to be consistent. Antonio Brown may be the closest thing we ever get to it.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby onetwothree » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:33 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:00 pm FWIW, Julio is PFF's 2nd highest grade WR this season. Antonio Brown is #1.

Again, this is mostly a conversation that boils down to touchdowns. While some players are typically more likely to get touchdowns because of their size around the redzone, touchdowns remain a random occurence. Jones is on pace for 86 receptions and 1,258 yards. If you gave him 8 touchdowns along with that, is anyone concerned? That's easily a WR1 finish.
Except he doesn't have 8 TDs.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby Cabana » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:16 am

onetwothree wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:33 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:00 pm FWIW, Julio is PFF's 2nd highest grade WR this season. Antonio Brown is #1.

Again, this is mostly a conversation that boils down to touchdowns. While some players are typically more likely to get touchdowns because of their size around the redzone, touchdowns remain a random occurence. Jones is on pace for 86 receptions and 1,258 yards. If you gave him 8 touchdowns along with that, is anyone concerned? That's easily a WR1 finish.
Except he doesn't have 8 TDs.
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Re: Julio jones

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:51 am

onetwothree wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:33 am Except he doesn't have 8 TDs.
The point is that Julio is not playing any worse as a player. He doesn't look slower, he doesn't look less athletic, his routes are still good and he is 4th in the league in receiving yards. The only thing he is missing out on are touchdowns, which can be a completely random number each season.

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Re: Julio jones

Postby onetwothree » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:42 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:51 am The point is that Julio is not playing any worse as a player. He doesn't look slower, he doesn't look less athletic, his routes are still good and he is 4th in the league in receiving yards. The only thing he is missing out on are touchdowns, which can be a completely random number each season.
It's certainly fair to wonder if he's starting to slow down a bit. Even the numbers you have him on pace for would be his lowest in 4 seasons.

Obviously going from being a top 3 WR to top 10 WR doesn't mean he sucks but there's a point where his reputation is higher than his actual production. He's WR15 in most leagues.


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