Is Landry a Sell high ?
Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
I can't speak for others, and I don't want to typecast myself as being "anti-Landry," but any information that I contrived was not just generated from this season (it was the exact opposite, in fact). Some may believe that it's too small of a sample size, and that's fine, but it's almost 4 years of data - and it's literally all we have. Maybe when it gets closer to f/a, I'll throw some comparison tables together. And I, for one, do watch the games. I don't just sit around crunching numbers all day haha. Just a normal guy who's a cop for a living, not an analytics major or mathematician, who loves watching sports. So I don't really think "common sense" is lacking on one side or the other. "Evidence" while factual in it's purest form, can also be completely subjective in how it's applied in this hobby of ours, and that's what makes conversations like these fun to me (and hopefully others, as well).
Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
My big problem with a lot of these arguments is that they are basically based on unofficial statistics that use formulas. It is why I hate Harmons reception perception, he literally comes up with statistics based on what his opinions (ie. when someone is open or has beaten coverage).
They all have massive flaws (even the basic stats have flaws). You can interpret and manipulate stats however you want to make your argument. You can pick stats that support your argument and ignore those that don't.
Stats have some meaning - but these complex ones should all be taken with a grain of salt.
There is no statistic that provides the perfect formula to predict success.
They all have massive flaws (even the basic stats have flaws). You can interpret and manipulate stats however you want to make your argument. You can pick stats that support your argument and ignore those that don't.
Stats have some meaning - but these complex ones should all be taken with a grain of salt.
There is no statistic that provides the perfect formula to predict success.
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Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
So what's a fair value for Mr. Landry at this point, assuming full PPR?
I'm trying to acquire him, and I've offered Foreman and a late 2018 1st. That got turned down quick. Counter was Deshaun Watson and 1.01. Think actually 1.01 is about right... but not sure about that. lol
I'm trying to acquire him, and I've offered Foreman and a late 2018 1st. That got turned down quick. Counter was Deshaun Watson and 1.01. Think actually 1.01 is about right... but not sure about that. lol
Re: Jarvis Landry - Should You Care?
Depending how you feel about Barkley; 1.01 is probably a little bit high.Cult of Dionysus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:13 pm So what's a fair value for Mr. Landry at this point, assuming full PPR?
I'm trying to acquire him, and I've offered Foreman and a late 2018 1st. That got turned down quick. Counter was Deshaun Watson and 1.01. Think actually 1.01 is about right... but not sure about that. lol
I would say in that early 1st range is fair though, or 2 mid-to-lates.
Landry value?
Looking for other opinions to better gauge Landry's value.
I put him on the block hoping for a late 1st or RB2 depth. All I'm getting are late 2nd offers. Is this as good as it gets with him in CLE, or would you just hang tight?
Name some backs you would expect in return for Landry.
I put him on the block hoping for a late 1st or RB2 depth. All I'm getting are late 2nd offers. Is this as good as it gets with him in CLE, or would you just hang tight?
Name some backs you would expect in return for Landry.
12 team standard (start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB)
QB: TLaw, Watson
RB: ETN, Bijan, A. Jones, AJ Dillon, Charbs, Rochon
WR: AJ Brown, ARSB, G Wilson, London, Pickens, Bateman, Mims
TE: Njoku, Kmet
QB: TLaw, Watson
RB: ETN, Bijan, A. Jones, AJ Dillon, Charbs, Rochon
WR: AJ Brown, ARSB, G Wilson, London, Pickens, Bateman, Mims
TE: Njoku, Kmet
Re: Landry value?
Lol those are terrible offers. Even in the worst case scenerio Landry will return more value than any of those late second rounders. Also while his target share and touchdowns will regress from last year, it’s not like he is the Black Plague. You are better off holding him or putting him in a package deal to get a big name player.
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RB's - Ken Walker, Javonte Williams, James Conner, James Cook, Jerome Ford, Khalil Herbert, Kenneth Gainwell, Rico Dowdle, Rashaad Penny
WR's - Amon-ra St Brown, DK Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, Gave Davis, Joshua Palmer, Curtis Samuel, Michael Wilson, Marvin Mims, Rashod Bateman, Dontayvion Wicks.
TE's - George Kittle, Dalton Schultz, Isaiah Likely, Juwan Johnson
Taxi: Demario Douglas, Cedric Tillman, David Bell.
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QB's - Dak Prescott, Matthew Stafford, Brock Purdy, Mac Jones
RB's - Ken Walker, Javonte Williams, James Conner, James Cook, Jerome Ford, Khalil Herbert, Kenneth Gainwell, Rico Dowdle, Rashaad Penny
WR's - Amon-ra St Brown, DK Metcalf, Diontae Johnson, Gave Davis, Joshua Palmer, Curtis Samuel, Michael Wilson, Marvin Mims, Rashod Bateman, Dontayvion Wicks.
TE's - George Kittle, Dalton Schultz, Isaiah Likely, Juwan Johnson
Taxi: Demario Douglas, Cedric Tillman, David Bell.
Re: Landry value?
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Here is the most recent thread discussing Landry.
Also his ADP puts him in the mid 3rd it seems so I think any RB in the mid 3rd to 4th range should be possible targets to consider (or rookie picks in that range).
Here is the most recent thread discussing Landry.
Also his ADP puts him in the mid 3rd it seems so I think any RB in the mid 3rd to 4th range should be possible targets to consider (or rookie picks in that range).
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Re: Landry value?
hes a top 15WR for standard. for your team i would try to sell for gronk and see if that owner is panicked as well.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: Landry value?
I have landry as a strong hold unless you like someone in the top 5 or so better than him. this is not a draft that I want to be trading "sure things" for draft picks.
it seems some are down on landry, I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I think we see equal if not better numbers over the long haul.
it seems some are down on landry, I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I think we see equal if not better numbers over the long haul.
Re: Landry value?
The Landry hate is comical. Those offers aren't worth your time. He is a hold.
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Re: Landry value?
He's worth an early 1st to me. If you can't get close to that value, don't bother selling. Move someone like Cooper instead, who's value seems to have risen again.
Re: Landry value?
I just acquired the 1.4 in a ppr league and am hoping to use it to buy Landry from an owner down on him
Looks like you play a standard league so I think his value would drop to a 1.6-1.8 first in that format, but still drastically more than the idiots are offering you for him
Looks like you play a standard league so I think his value would drop to a 1.6-1.8 first in that format, but still drastically more than the idiots are offering you for him
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker
picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5
team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
No picks until 2026 5th rounder lol
Re: Landry value?
Ya, I'm not going to deal him for a 2nd... that's for sure.
Name some RBs that you would take straight up for Landry.
Name some RBs that you would take straight up for Landry.
12 team standard (start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB)
QB: TLaw, Watson
RB: ETN, Bijan, A. Jones, AJ Dillon, Charbs, Rochon
WR: AJ Brown, ARSB, G Wilson, London, Pickens, Bateman, Mims
TE: Njoku, Kmet
QB: TLaw, Watson
RB: ETN, Bijan, A. Jones, AJ Dillon, Charbs, Rochon
WR: AJ Brown, ARSB, G Wilson, London, Pickens, Bateman, Mims
TE: Njoku, Kmet
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Re: Landry value?
I feel like a lot of replies are thinking PPR...I mostly play PPR, but in non-PPR Landry was WR14 last year, and I can't imagine him finishing as highly in CLE given the presence of Gordon, Coleman, Njoku, and the RBs lowering his target percentage. I think he'd be worth an early 2nd to me in standard formats.
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12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
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Re: Landry value?
Landry has always had good yac but temper expectations being a Brown. I know a ton of people are gonna tout him cause he did do well in Miami and he is ranked highly but the regression is coming. The flood gates have opened for actual talent around him with Coleman, Gordon, Njoku, and even Hyde and Duke out of the backfield. I would consider selling him at his price now, but that is me. There's no way he puts up the same numbers as he did in Miami. I mean the guy had Kenny Stills going deep every time to compete with for targets. Don't let the stats from one team and system fool you in another. A great example would be Mike Wallace when he left the Steelers, Maclin when he left the Eagles, or Jordan Matthews going to Buffalo. All were talented but it's the system and rapport they're thrown into that will change their production. Love Landry, just don't expect him to be the guy he was in Miami.
24 Player Roster/12 Team/PPR/IDP/PPT(Point Per Tackle)
4 player Taxi Squad
QB- Aaron Rodgers, Winston
RB- Monty, Ajayi, Ingram, Duke, Booker, Burkhead, Collins, Foreman, Breida
WR- Cooks, A-Rob, TY, Funchess, MBryant, Godwin, MWilliams, Golladay
TE-Engram
PK- M.Crosby
LB- CJ Mosley, L David
DE- Fowler, Okafor
DB- Clinton-Dix, Rashad Jones
24 player roster/12 team/0.5 PPR/IDP/4 player Taxi
QB- Luck, Carr, Bortles
RB- Zeke, Hyde, McKinnon, Henry, A Jones, Drake, Foreman, Booker, Dixon
WR- Evans, Hilton, ARob, Cooper, Watkins, Shepard, C Davis, Gordon, Doctson
TE-Olsen, Kittle
PK- Whatever
DE- Okafor, Hunter
LB- Buccanon, Mack
S- Baker, Mathieu
4 player Taxi Squad
QB- Aaron Rodgers, Winston
RB- Monty, Ajayi, Ingram, Duke, Booker, Burkhead, Collins, Foreman, Breida
WR- Cooks, A-Rob, TY, Funchess, MBryant, Godwin, MWilliams, Golladay
TE-Engram
PK- M.Crosby
LB- CJ Mosley, L David
DE- Fowler, Okafor
DB- Clinton-Dix, Rashad Jones
24 player roster/12 team/0.5 PPR/IDP/4 player Taxi
QB- Luck, Carr, Bortles
RB- Zeke, Hyde, McKinnon, Henry, A Jones, Drake, Foreman, Booker, Dixon
WR- Evans, Hilton, ARob, Cooper, Watkins, Shepard, C Davis, Gordon, Doctson
TE-Olsen, Kittle
PK- Whatever
DE- Okafor, Hunter
LB- Buccanon, Mack
S- Baker, Mathieu
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