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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
Agreed....and he's not their problem anymore. Even with the injuries I sort of agree with him. If the Bills were winning alot those few years I might not feel the same but playing on a bad team and not getting enough opportunities to help is frustrating
I think they will find he was a nice problem to have. A guy that wants the ball because he thinks he can help the team win.
I have no problem with the above characterization...I want guys that want the ball on my teams
I think they will find he was a nice problem to have. A guy that wants the ball because he thinks he can help the team win.
I have no problem with the above characterization...I want guys that want the ball on my teams
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
There is a difference between wanting the ball to help your team and just plain wanting the ball for your own stat gains. "I don't care if he's open. Give me the ball anyways" does not sound like a guy that is team success as first priority.
Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
Again you are taking it out of context. At the time of the statements it really didn't matter who was getting the ball because the Bills were a dumpster and were losing games regardless. Sammy was being under worked and was making a statement that he felt they would do better to get him the ball more.
I agree with the poster above, this is the kind of guy I want. Your WRs should be hungry for the ball every play. Otherwise they aren't the type of guy you want on a fantasy team.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
I may be completely wrong here, but it seems like the two of you may be talking about two entirely different things. I suspect Valhalla is continuing the conversation of why Buffalo got rid of Watkins in the real NFL. Balzac, it looks like you are supporting reasons why Sammy is a solid player in fantasy football.Balzac wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:34 amAgain you are taking it out of context. At the time of the statements it really didn't matter who was getting the ball because the Bills were a dumpster and were losing games regardless. Sammy was being under worked and was making a statement that he felt they would do better to get him the ball more.
I agree with the poster above, this is the kind of guy I want. Your WRs should be hungry for the ball every play. Otherwise they aren't the type of guy you want on a fantasy team.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
Yeah I think you're right.rubber_duck wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:48 amI may be completely wrong here, but it seems like the two of you may be talking about two entirely different things. I suspect Valhalla is continuing the conversation of why Buffalo got rid of Watkins in the real NFL. Balzac, it looks like you are supporting reasons why Sammy is a solid player in fantasy football.Balzac wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:34 amAgain you are taking it out of context. At the time of the statements it really didn't matter who was getting the ball because the Bills were a dumpster and were losing games regardless. Sammy was being under worked and was making a statement that he felt they would do better to get him the ball more.
I agree with the poster above, this is the kind of guy I want. Your WRs should be hungry for the ball every play. Otherwise they aren't the type of guy you want on a fantasy team.
Maybe?
Also, not everyone thinks Robert Woods is a dumpster fire. A team first approach does work in the NFL. Ask how it worked for that no talent dumpster fire non-elite athleticism wr from Miami that then went to the Patriots, for example
Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
From the brief clips I saw of the Rams game last night, it looked like Sammy was pretty engaged with the rest of the team. Celebrating with teammates after scores and but plays and such.
Did anyone see how he looked running routes and such? I know it'll take some time for him and Goff to build chemistry, but it was encouraging to see the Rams offense move the ball fairly easily. Goff looked much better.
Did anyone see how he looked running routes and such? I know it'll take some time for him and Goff to build chemistry, but it was encouraging to see the Rams offense move the ball fairly easily. Goff looked much better.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
Goff threw a pretty damn good ball, 25+ yards that would have been a TD....granted OAK's CB was right on Sammy but he had the opportunity to catch it.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
The mass panic about him going to the Rams was an embarrassment. As best you could just say there was a lot of uncertainty but to say you know it will be horrible because of Goff was a joke. Nobody has any idea how he will improve in year 2 and a vastly improved offensive coaching staff.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
If I was a Watkins owner, I would be ecstatic about this trade. Watkins just went from a bad weather team with the fewest pass attempts in the league to a good weather team with a new coach whose old team had over 600 pass attempts. Considering that this is a dynasty forum, it amazes me at the short sightedness of most posters. Goff is a very talented QB who was put into the worst possible situation last year. The old coaching staff literally had no idea of how to develop a QB nor any concept of offensive football. The new coaching staff TEACHES nonstop. McVay has been working extremely closely with Goff since he became head coach. The Rams offense has a lot of work yet to do, but already has made a great deal of progress which is being largely ignored in these forums.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
I am pretty happy with it long term. LA has a brighter future than Buffalo, and they paid a lot for a guy who is under contract only 1 year. Seems like they value his talent pretty highly. It is a bummer for this year though. I can't see him producing consistently after a mid-August trade.dm1129 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:25 pm If I was a Watkins owner, I would be ecstatic about this trade. Watkins just went from a bad weather team with the fewest pass attempts in the league to a good weather team with a new coach whose old team had over 600 pass attempts. Considering that this is a dynasty forum, it amazes me at the short sightedness of most posters. Goff is a very talented QB who was put into the worst possible situation last year. The old coaching staff literally had no idea of how to develop a QB nor any concept of offensive football. The new coaching staff TEACHES nonstop. McVay has been working extremely closely with Goff since he became head coach. The Rams offense has a lot of work yet to do, but already has made a great deal of progress which is being largely ignored in these forums.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
For the most part, I agree with some others that have posted that Watkins in LA seems to me, right now, more likely to be an upgrade than downgrade. If I'm an owner, I'm cautiously optimistic. Goff doesn't need to be elite, just competent.
That said, Watkins may end up disappointed with his target volume. The D-Jax role in McVay's offense averaged about 100 targets per 16 games. That's about a 6 target per week average. With Cooper Kupp coming on strong, McVay reportedly excited about using Gurley more as a pass-catcher, and optimism regarding the Everett/Higbee TE tandem's potential, Watkins will probably need to get zen about sharing, and focus on making big plays vertically with fewer targets. Which I think he can do, of course.
That said, Watkins may end up disappointed with his target volume. The D-Jax role in McVay's offense averaged about 100 targets per 16 games. That's about a 6 target per week average. With Cooper Kupp coming on strong, McVay reportedly excited about using Gurley more as a pass-catcher, and optimism regarding the Everett/Higbee TE tandem's potential, Watkins will probably need to get zen about sharing, and focus on making big plays vertically with fewer targets. Which I think he can do, of course.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
He hasn't really been about sharing in the past. Quite the opposite, actually.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:01 am For the most part, I agree with some others that have posted that Watkins in LA seems to me, right now, more likely to be an upgrade than downgrade. If I'm an owner, I'm cautiously optimistic. Goff doesn't need to be elite, just competent.
That said, Watkins may end up disappointed with his target volume. The D-Jax role in McVay's offense averaged about 100 targets per 16 games. That's about a 6 target per week average. With Cooper Kupp coming on strong, McVay reportedly excited about using Gurley more as a pass-catcher, and optimism regarding the Everett/Higbee TE tandem's potential, Watkins will probably need to get zen about sharing, and focus on making big plays vertically with fewer targets. Which I think he can do, of course.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
Not sure what all has been said previous so apologies if I'm repeating what has been said.
I actually think Sammy to LA is good. I think it's a good change of scenery and something fresh.
I also think the warmer weather in LA will treat him well in terms of injuries as I always found as a player that when things were injured, they were easy to get loose and stay loose in warmer weather versus cold Buffalo type weather.
I think Goff and he can be a good thing in 17 and moving forward if he re-signs in LA. I personally think Goff will improve, maybe not to where we all think the #1 pick should be, but I do think he progresses beyond what he did last year.
I think it's very interesting that some people are basically burying Sammy for this trade, saying he is no worthless for 2017, yet some of those people are all of a sudden on the Cooper Kupp hype wagon.
I'm sorry, but if you think Kupp is more talented than Sammy please go away.
2nd, why would you downgrade Sammy but be jumping on this Kupp hype? They play on the same team with the same teammates in the same scheme, you can't hate the more talented one and love the less talented one just "because". Makes no sense.
I actually think Sammy to LA is good. I think it's a good change of scenery and something fresh.
I also think the warmer weather in LA will treat him well in terms of injuries as I always found as a player that when things were injured, they were easy to get loose and stay loose in warmer weather versus cold Buffalo type weather.
I think Goff and he can be a good thing in 17 and moving forward if he re-signs in LA. I personally think Goff will improve, maybe not to where we all think the #1 pick should be, but I do think he progresses beyond what he did last year.
I think it's very interesting that some people are basically burying Sammy for this trade, saying he is no worthless for 2017, yet some of those people are all of a sudden on the Cooper Kupp hype wagon.
I'm sorry, but if you think Kupp is more talented than Sammy please go away.
2nd, why would you downgrade Sammy but be jumping on this Kupp hype? They play on the same team with the same teammates in the same scheme, you can't hate the more talented one and love the less talented one just "because". Makes no sense.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
You seem really hung up on that one statement from him, and I think you are reading it way out of context. I haven't heard a single comment from teammates or coaches about him being selfish or "me first".
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams
I find all the "direct" comparisons to McVay's Washington offenses a bit odd. We all tout McVay as being a great offensive mind who will do great things to get the most out of his players, but then we assume Watkins will be relinquished to solely a vertical role (or at least D-Jax's more limited vertical role). McVay has never had someone of Watkins caliber or talent at his disposal, if we really think he is as great a coaching mind and a teacher of those around him, I would be surprised if Watkins was relinquished to such a limited aspect of his game. He should be a center piece of the passing game---don't think they make this trade solely for a vertical threat, there are much cheaper options out there for that. It may take a bit to get up to speed, but I believe we will see targets reflecting his talent sooner rather than later.ninotoreS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:01 am For the most part, I agree with some others that have posted that Watkins in LA seems to me, right now, more likely to be an upgrade than downgrade. If I'm an owner, I'm cautiously optimistic. Goff doesn't need to be elite, just competent.
That said, Watkins may end up disappointed with his target volume. The D-Jax role in McVay's offense averaged about 100 targets per 16 games. That's about a 6 target per week average. With Cooper Kupp coming on strong, McVay reportedly excited about using Gurley more as a pass-catcher, and optimism regarding the Everett/Higbee TE tandem's potential, Watkins will probably need to get zen about sharing, and focus on making big plays vertically with fewer targets. Which I think he can do, of course.
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