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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby maxhyde » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:20 pm

Valhalla wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:54 am If I could get Pryor and a 1st for Sammy I'd be all over that
If I could get Sammy for Pryor and a 1st I would overpay to go get Pryor to make it happen.

I am not saying he is certain to have success but just not as terrible a spot as everyone is making out. I hope Watkins owners are freaking out in leagues I don't own him so I can own him in more.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Valhalla » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:34 pm

maxhyde wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:20 pm
Valhalla wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:54 am If I could get Pryor and a 1st for Sammy I'd be all over that
If I could get Sammy for Pryor and a 1st I would overpay to go get Pryor to make it happen.

I am not saying he is certain to have success but just not as terrible a spot as everyone is making out. I hope Watkins owners are freaking out in leagues I don't own him so I can own him in more.
It's not that I dislike Sammy a ton. I just think Pryor is about equal, so the first makes the decision easy for me. I'm probably higher than the consensus on Pryor though.

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby JJDubya » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:39 am

Short term, I can't see Sammy doing much better that what Britt did last year. I'm happy with mid-low end WR2 numbers this season. I do agree with sentiment above that McVey and the Rams organization should be a step up than the fiasco in Buffalo. At least they have a plan and direction. Agree that Snead's existence as GM should be questioned but Sammy is a big win for the franchise, and if Goff can improve, Sammy's outlook there long term could be much better than the harsh environment in Buffalo.

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby DinoDynasty » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:04 pm

Thinking about taking the following deal for Sammy, but not sure if its an overpay given his current situation. This is a .5 ppr league (team 3 in sig).

Give: Doctson or M. Williams + 2018 1st (should be top 4)
Get: Sammy + Boyd
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby ericanadian » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:10 pm

Jpalladino91 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:04 pm Thinking about taking the following deal for Sammy, but not sure if its an overpay given his current situation. This is a .5 ppr league (team 3 in sig).

Give: Doctson or M. Williams + 2018 1st (should be top 4)
Get: Sammy + Boyd
Makes sense in a rebuild. I probably prefer Williams to Doctson, simply because he'll provide you a longer window to move him at value.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby maxhyde » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:30 pm

Jpalladino91 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:04 pm Thinking about taking the following deal for Sammy, but not sure if its an overpay given his current situation. This is a .5 ppr league (team 3 in sig).

Give: Doctson or M. Williams + 2018 1st (should be top 4)
Get: Sammy + Boyd
I would do this and send Doctson+1st. If I had to send Williams I might balk a little.

Anyway I think it is a decent deal
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby jabomb » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:41 pm

Just traded for Sammy in a best ball dynasty (incl return yardage)

Gave: Tyler Lockett, 2018 Late 1st, 2018 Late 2nd
Got: Sammy

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby maxhyde » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:16 am

jabomb wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:41 pm Just traded for Sammy in a best ball dynasty (incl return yardage)

Gave: Tyler Lockett, 2018 Late 1st, 2018 Late 2nd
Got: Sammy
Close. I really like Lockett in return leagues but would really depend on how returns are scored
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby rubber_duck » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:24 am

jabomb wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:41 pm Just traded for Sammy in a best ball dynasty (incl return yardage)

Gave: Tyler Lockett, 2018 Late 1st, 2018 Late 2nd
Got: Sammy
Sammy in a best ball league is a shrewd play. Lockett + 1st + 2nd is a little pricey, but I like the move.

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Jason3123 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:54 am

jabomb wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:41 pm Just traded for Sammy in a best ball dynasty (incl return yardage)

Gave: Tyler Lockett, 2018 Late 1st, 2018 Late 2nd
Got: Sammy
Landslide win in my opinion. Not even a premium pick? Stealing. Lockett is such an ancillary player.

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby gausec » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:41 pm

As a Watkins owner, I like the change longterm. However, I don't see this as much of a downgrade for Sammy for this year. Here are the reasons I like the move:
  • He moves to an offensive minded coach
    He plays inside a dome, no more crappy weather.
    He will play with Goff who is supposed to be a Franchise QB to early to tell if he bust
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Kurt G.O.A.T. » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:42 pm

gausec wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:41 pm As a Watkins owner, I like the change longterm. However, I don't see this as much of a downgrade for Sammy for this year. Here are the reasons I like the move:
  • He moves to an offensive minded coach
    He plays inside a dome, no more crappy weather.
    He will play with Goff who is supposed to be a Franchise QB to early to tell if he bust
you're 3 years too early on the dome. won't be ready until 2020.

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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:10 pm

I think Watkins' value doesn't really change. Sean McVay's offensive mind is definitely a pro, but the con is that there are still a lot of questions about Jared Goff. Whatever your opinion of Tyrod Taylor, he keeps plays alive with his mobility and has a good deep ball.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Ruggenater » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:01 am

I don't know about any other Sammy owners, but I've been getting some dreadful offers for him ever since the trade. The latest was my Sammy for his Funchess and Kevin White.
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Re: Sammy Watkins to Rams

Postby Kramer » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:35 am

I think the fact that the Bills traded away Watkins should decrease his value a tad. They might be just hedging a bit, but no team wants to let potential superstar players go. They had enough doubts to part ways instead of giving him one more year to prove his potential and then try to keep him long-term.

In superflex/2qb leagues, I would be looking to buy low on Goff this offseason. Also, Gurley is a good target if the owner is down on him at all as he should get a bump with Watkins taking some attention away and Goff hopefully taking a step forward.
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