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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby Cowboysfan33 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:02 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:53 am This story confuses me. How does someone get suspended for something he hasn't been charged and convicted of? Unless I'm missing something, these are only allegations and a lot of people think the plaintiff is lying.
That's what I'm saying and I know I'm extra sensitive because I'm a Cowboys fan but this is crazy to me. If they suspend him without proof, that's just unfair, any way you look at it.

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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby _yeti » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:40 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:53 am This story confuses me. How does someone get suspended for something he hasn't been charged and convicted of? Unless I'm missing something, these are only allegations and a lot of people think the plaintiff is lying.
Because the NFL morality police reside in crazy town where the biggest crime is upsetting public perception. Once you cross a certain threshold of negative articles which vaguely suspect you of something, (even if you have been cleared and that something was fabricated), then you must be punished in public to satisfy the hordes of angry public who are mad that athletes make a lot of money.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby Weeman » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:10 am

I feel like you'd have to be really weak at RB to need a guy like Mcfadden the 1st 2-4 weeks. For all we know they go committee & Morris sharks TDs. After that it's Elliots backfield & you burned a spot. If it were closer to the playoffs Mcfaddens value would be higher for many.

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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby Friction » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:56 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:53 am This story confuses me. How does someone get suspended for something he hasn't been charged and convicted of? Unless I'm missing something, these are only allegations and a lot of people think the plaintiff is lying.
You have to think there is something more concrete on the side of evidence if a suspension happens. This has hung around way too long for it to have had nothing more than hearsay. Just because what we know as thr public (even nowadays) seems like slander/false accusations, i cant imagine they suspend him without more than the current amount of "stuff". Will be interesting to see, but lets not act shocked if it does. Not like the guy has been a model of perfection, though not necessarily an abuser.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby _yeti » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:27 am

Weeman wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:10 am I feel like you'd have to be really weak at RB to need a guy like Mcfadden the 1st 2-4 weeks. For all we know they go committee & Morris sharks TDs. After that it's Elliots backfield & you burned a spot. If it were closer to the playoffs Mcfaddens value would be higher for many.
Noticed you are in a ten team league (in one of your leagues). The talent pool is distributed different and it made me think.

To handcuff Zeke with McFadden:
8 team, 10 team- No
14 team, 16 team- Yes
12 team- depends on roster size and what RBs you have.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby Vcize » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:35 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:53 am This story confuses me. How does someone get suspended for something he hasn't been charged and convicted of? Unless I'm missing something, these are only allegations and a lot of people think the plaintiff is lying.
Ray Rice wasn't convicted either, fwiw.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby _yeti » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:36 am

Vcize wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:35 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:53 am This story confuses me. How does someone get suspended for something he hasn't been charged and convicted of? Unless I'm missing something, these are only allegations and a lot of people think the plaintiff is lying.
Ray Rice wasn't convicted either, fwiw.
:think: He definitely was. He pled guilty so it wasn't a dragged out thing.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby Vcize » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:58 am

_yeti wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:36 am
Vcize wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:35 am
Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:53 am This story confuses me. How does someone get suspended for something he hasn't been charged and convicted of? Unless I'm missing something, these are only allegations and a lot of people think the plaintiff is lying.
Ray Rice wasn't convicted either, fwiw.
:think: He definitely was. He pled guilty so it wasn't a dragged out thing.
You sure you want to stick with "definitely"?

Rice rejected a plea deal, plead not guilty, and had all charges dismissed when he agreed to take anger management counseling via a pre-trial intervention program that means the case won't even show up on his record.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby tstafford » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:37 am

The court system and the NFL discipline system have little to do with one another. They can suspend him for basically anything they want, he can appeal it and they can rule on their own suspension decision. It's a business - they own it, they run it, that's how it works.

As for Zeke. This doesn't matter one bit. It's minor annoyance in redraft and meaningless in dynasty.

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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby _yeti » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:46 am

Vcize wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:58 am
_yeti wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:36 am
Vcize wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:35 am

Ray Rice wasn't convicted either, fwiw.
:think: He definitely was. He pled guilty so it wasn't a dragged out thing.
You sure you want to stick with "definitely"?

Rice rejected a plea deal, plead not guilty, and had all charges dismissed when he agreed to take anger management counseling via a pre-trial intervention program that means the case won't even show up on his record.
You know what, you're right. I thought he had pled guilty. He entered a pre-trial diversion program because he was a first time offender. I just remembered that he took responsibility and it was over quickly.

But ok, even if it isn't technically a "conviction," it is taking responsibility for the event and being adjudicated within the legal system. What was the point? Because Rice didn't technically get a conviction on his record, Zeke's situation with the NFL is somehow similar when there were never any charges, there were witnesses, and the investigation by the police is over, and everyone pretty much agrees she fabricated it.

What is the point of saying Rice doesn't technically have a conviction? How is that relevant to Zeke? We already are plenty aware you don't need to be convicted of a crime to be suspended in the NFL. To equate Zeke (presumed innocent of any crime) to Rice seems especially unfair given the circumstances.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby Vcize » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:10 pm

_yeti wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:46 am
Vcize wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:58 am
_yeti wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:36 am

:think: He definitely was. He pled guilty so it wasn't a dragged out thing.
You sure you want to stick with "definitely"?

Rice rejected a plea deal, plead not guilty, and had all charges dismissed when he agreed to take anger management counseling via a pre-trial intervention program that means the case won't even show up on his record.
You know what, you're right. I thought he had pled guilty. He entered a pre-trial diversion program because he was a first time offender. I just remembered that he took responsibility and it was over quickly.

But ok, even if it isn't technically a "conviction," it is taking responsibility for the event and being adjudicated within the legal system. What was the point? Because Rice didn't technically get a conviction on his record, Zeke's situation with the NFL is somehow similar when there were never any charges, there were witnesses, and the investigation by the police is over, and everyone pretty much agrees she fabricated it.

What is the point of saying Rice doesn't technically have a conviction? How is that relevant to Zeke? We already are plenty aware you don't need to be convicted of a crime to be suspended in the NFL. To equate Zeke (presumed innocent of any crime) to Rice seems especially unfair given the circumstances.
Actually if you go back the post I was replying to when I brought up Rice was one saying that a player shouldn't be able to be suspended if they weren't convicted of a crime.

As to your last sentence, I certainly wasn't equating Zeke to Rice, I was simply responding to that statement. Though I do think it's fair to say the guy on the last page had a point when he said maybe there's more to this that we don't know about if they are talking suspension.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby broncohead » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:00 pm

Well a few people passed it off as a female wanting money and any suspension talks were ridiculous.
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby onetwothree » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:18 pm

Do we even know which incident is being investigated?

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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby StableOfRBs » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:39 pm

onetwothree wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:18 pm Do we even know which incident is being investigated?
Schefter said the domestic abuse charge from last year iirc
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Re: Ezekiel Elliott - Possible Suspension

Postby _yeti » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:15 am

Not Zeke, but hmm... here are some falsely accused football players in the news at the moment. I love how football players can never be viewed as victims, only perpetrators, even when cleared. If the story is fabricated, that's what Zeke is in this , A VICTIM.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-accuse ... --spt.html
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