I mentioned a couple times in my post they were pre draft mocks, that was the point. To see players ranked purely off talent. If anyone had Perine over Foreman pre draft they were in the minority. And now somehow situation makes Perine a mid to late 1st and Foreman mid 2nd/early 3rd in nearly every single draft. That's a huge drop for someone only based off situation and is very short sighted imo. Either way it's very easy to see who is overvalued and who is undervalued no matter what you think of them both.SCYCPA wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:29 pmChris_R wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:18 pmThank you for posting these results. This should kill all this talk on this forum about Foreman being overvalued or Perine being undervalued that's insane with this type of disparity. I've consistently said Foreman is one of the drafts best values if these values are consistent and have been adamant about that._yeti wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:58 am What everyone has said, situation. Perine WILL provide immediate production in 2017, probably the most of his career. He will then increase a great deal in trade value next offseason as people chase the production.
With that being said, in my (IDP) league:
Perine went 1.6
Foreman (to me, traded back in for Foreman) at 3.8
Two round disparity! Couldn't believe Foreman went that late.
Here is 1 expert mock draft done pre draft: http://rotoviz.com/2017/04/dynasty-rook ... vid=1EffAG
Foreman is the 5th RB going 1.10, no Perine in the first.
Here is another that has him as the 6th RB right below Kamara but still before Perine and he goes at 2.03 here: http://dynastyfootballfactory.com/2017- ... nfl-draft/
Here is another with Foreman as the 6th RB behind Kamara again but goes at 1.12 here with Perine mid 2nd round again: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fantas ... draft/amp/
All these were done leading up tp the draft when nearly all information was available. I'm not saying nobody ranked Perine higher then Foreman, or that situation doesn't matter because it does, but I'm not moving guys a full 2 rounds apart due to location. For me this isn't an indictment on Perine at all, because both are very good. It's more about how far their values have shifted in a short time and not due to talent.
These were all pre-draft items, though.
I did several drafts and mocks right after (within 2-3 weeks) the draft and saw similar results.
My first draft is a devy draft where Perine was already rostered. Foreman went #3 behind C. Davis and Ross, and ahead of Hunt, Z. Jones, Ja. Williams, and Mack, all of whom are currently being drafted ahead or just behind him.
Second one, Foreman went 15, Perine went 18.
In others, Foreman went 14-17, Perine 15-19.
Then....Foreman was reported as being "out of shape" for the rookie mini camp and Perine reportedly looked a lot slimmer and quicker, with better hands than he did at OU or the combine.
Looking at my rookie draft spreadsheets, that was the tipping point where Perine shot up boards and Foreman went way down. I even moved Perine up from my #17 to my #12 rookie and Foreman down from #15 to #20 on my board after that.
As for reporting out of shape, that's a ton of rookies. Joe Mixon did, how much did he slide because of it? The reason why I do and vslue pre draft mocks, and my own rankings is get a feel for who are the most talented players and then adjust accordingly after. But to the OP's point I don't see that huge of a disparity and I'm not reaching by that much because situation in 1 year.