*PVP Poll* Jordan Matthews 1/29/17

[Jason3123]

I couldn't vote because I didn't see ham sandwich or taco anywhere...





Teasing. I still think he can be VERY good if his QB improves.

Taco's all day haha.

[Jfever]

Ok. I guess in my nearly 10 seasons of doing dynasty leagues and over 23 doing fantasy football, and 41 years on this planet, I myself have learned that it isn't too wise to think that the writing is on the wall after ANY small sample size. A 24 year old is a .... 24 year old.

What do you mean ERTZ out scored Matthews on less targets. That is just an incorrect statement. Matthews did have more targets than Ertz, but Matthews too out scored Ertz. Lets please remind ourselves that Matthews dealt with some lower body injuries last year AND had a rookie qb from NORTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY! For *&^%$ sake....

Is it that complicated to see? So is it a lock then for some of you that your mid to late 2nd is going to equate to a keepable asset? A startable asset? A depth piece with high upside?

I mean.... how in the world have some "seen enough" to make a final call on ANY 24 year old wr? He has shown much more over a time span of multiple seasons - so how do you compare him to the less than one season of Meredith? I mean huh?I can't wrap my head around the logic.

[Valhalla]

I mean.... how in the world have some "seen enough" to make a final call on ANY 24 year old wr?

I made up my mind on him the day he turned 24, just like I did with AB and Jordy. If they aren't superstars by 24, they are nobody. Plus, he's done significantly less than Jordy or AB did by 24....

[Jfever]

lol. you are on a roll.

Well, You guys (this thread) have talked me into it. I'm over it too. I'm going to update my trade block in my leagues that I own J.Matthews. I'll see what the market is for him. I've seen enough, he is what he is. Heck, we may have even seen his ceiling and he may be on the downward side of his career productivity arch. He may be stuck in wr3 - wr4 purgatory for as long as he plays. I like rookies and I like drafting anyway. We'll see what I can get.

[FiremanEd]

Looks like the now 8% (6 random voters) of people have defeated JFever. His mind has exploded and he's lost all sense of purpose. I look forward to strolling over and reading the Meredith thread later. I'm sure it's just as enjoyable.

[Jfever]

Remember "no child left behind"? I do.

[Pullo Vision]

It is simply wrong to imply that a mid 2nd round rookie pick is equal to in value a starting 24 year old wr2 with low end wr1 upside or potential.

You make it sound as though this game is completely objective which is hardly the case. Every owner has their reasons why they may have a player valued at a certain draft pick.

Matthews' ppg the last 3 seasons is 32, 28 and 39. It's a bit of a stretch to call him a WR2 but that's his upside. Definitely not a WR1.

Definitely agree. He was in that 35th-45th range last year whether looking at ppg or cumulative points.

In a way, he's the opposite of Larry Fitzgerald. Matthews' age inflates his value despite the non-elite production, while Fitz produces but his age drags his value down.

[Jfever]

Are you kidding me?

[Pullo Vision]

Are you kidding me?

without quoting, it's difficult to tell who you're talking to.

[jcc6fd]

Are you kidding me?

without quoting, it's difficult to tell who you're talking to.

He's talking to you because your statement about Matthew's age inflating his value is ridiculous.

[Pullo Vision]

Are you kidding me?

without quoting, it's difficult to tell who you're talking to.

He's talking to you because your statement about Matthew's age inflating his value is ridiculous.

Well, you can't disagree with how he has performed so far through three years- mediocre. Even last year, when tons of top end WRs were getting hurt, he could break past his mid WR2 ceiling. So, you must think there's some upside to be had in Matthews. I see very little.

On top of that, I personally think people assign too much value to a player's age. I wouldn't say all his value is tied up in his age, but if he continues to put forward mediocre numbers, his advancing age will start to drag down his value. At that point, I could see myself being interested in him.

Everyone talks about talent vs opportunity in determining a player's value, but age has become a critical component.

There's nothing ridiculous in saying a guy who struggles to offer WR2 production (either over a season or ppg) has too much value tied up in his age.

[BonesJackson23]

especially if the WR2 production is completely theoretical. If he were 28 he's basically Pierre Garcon and who is giving up a 1st for PG? I like JMatt as a player, it's really the offense and QB that limit him imo. He definitely has more value in leagues where you are starting 4 or more WR. Hate aside, I would give a late 1st, I just think there are better targets atm.

[Sterling Archer]

Ok. I guess in my nearly 10 seasons of doing dynasty leagues and over 23 doing fantasy football, and 41 years on this planet, I myself have learned that it isn't too wise to think that the writing is on the wall after ANY small sample size. A 24 year old is a .... 24 year old.

What do you mean ERTZ out scored Matthews on less targets. That is just an incorrect statement. Matthews did have more targets than Ertz, but Matthews too out scored Ertz. Lets please remind ourselves that Matthews dealt with some lower body injuries last year AND had a rookie qb from NORTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY! For *&^%$ sake....

Is it that complicated to see? So is it a lock then for some of you that your mid to late 2nd is going to equate to a keepable asset? A startable asset? A depth piece with high upside?

I mean.... how in the world have some "seen enough" to make a final call on ANY 24 year old wr? He has shown much more over a time span of multiple seasons - so how do you compare him to the less than one season of Meredith? I mean huh?I can't wrap my head around the logic.

I agree with you that Matthews for a 2nd is ridiculous, but on the bolded, you seem to be wrong:
Matthews: 14g, 116 targets, 73 rec, 804 yards, 3 TDs
Ertz: 14g, 106 targets, 78 rec, 816 yards, 4 TDs

[ImaRounder]

Why is moncrief on a list of breakout seasons? Lol

[Sterling Archer]

Why is moncrief on a list of breakout seasons? Lol

He was making a joke that he's praying it'll be year 4 for Moncrief. Personally, I'm a believer so I'm with him on that.