Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
Seems weird it's asking for a 1 year window as this is dynasty. If I'm playing redraft I'm taking Steven Jackson everytime over Lamar Miller, he's a very solid lock for 1200 total yards and 8 TD's and over 40 catches, I'd feel pretty safe with expecting that. Miller is capable of it, but the odds of him doing it are much higher and much riskier. Now granted on the big scale I'd take Miller because even if he doesn't reach those numbers he's got a ton of years to produce ahead of him and at his age your hoping that on a best case scenario you get 7 years of production, and I'd gamble on the longevity he'd give me but don't see anyway I'd take him over Jackson for this year.
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Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
It is pretty simple... Everyone who owns Lamar Miller will say Lamar Miller because of their bias.
This answer is clear, Steven Jackson will outscore Lamar Miller in PPR leagues this season.
Lamar Miller is the lead back but will split carries with D. Thomas and the rookie. The Dolphins offense will obviously score less TD's than Atlanta this year which in turn means most likely less TD's for Miller.
Steven Jackson will get plenty more touches than Miller this year and far more touches in the red zone. This is the FIRST time in Jackson's career that he will NOT have 8 in the box. He has produced every single year having every defense plan solely against him. Defenses will be spread thin attempting to take care of Julio/Roddy/Gonzo and he is going to have an absolute field day with offensive talent finally around him. He is one of the best route runners, pass catchers in the NFL at the RB position and has one of the most accurate and intelligent QB's in the game throwing to him.
Lamar Miller is an upside RB selected in the 4th round that has yet to prove anything. He will catch less passes than S.Jax and will be sure to score less TD's as long as S. Jax doesn't go on the IR.
Sure Miller can be argued as the better DYNASTY option but for 2013, the answer is clear and simple... Steven Jackson.
If I am trying to win the championship this year, no question I want Steven Jackson on my team over Lamar Miller.
This answer is clear, Steven Jackson will outscore Lamar Miller in PPR leagues this season.
Lamar Miller is the lead back but will split carries with D. Thomas and the rookie. The Dolphins offense will obviously score less TD's than Atlanta this year which in turn means most likely less TD's for Miller.
Steven Jackson will get plenty more touches than Miller this year and far more touches in the red zone. This is the FIRST time in Jackson's career that he will NOT have 8 in the box. He has produced every single year having every defense plan solely against him. Defenses will be spread thin attempting to take care of Julio/Roddy/Gonzo and he is going to have an absolute field day with offensive talent finally around him. He is one of the best route runners, pass catchers in the NFL at the RB position and has one of the most accurate and intelligent QB's in the game throwing to him.
Lamar Miller is an upside RB selected in the 4th round that has yet to prove anything. He will catch less passes than S.Jax and will be sure to score less TD's as long as S. Jax doesn't go on the IR.
Sure Miller can be argued as the better DYNASTY option but for 2013, the answer is clear and simple... Steven Jackson.
If I am trying to win the championship this year, no question I want Steven Jackson on my team over Lamar Miller.
Last edited by the_future on Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
While I agree with everything you said in your post (see my statements above), I don't like this line.. It implies that you (and I) will be right. We may not be. The point you want to emphasise isn't whether the end result is correct. Rather, it's that the logic is correct. Anything can happen during the season. It's certainly possible that Miller outscores SJax in 2013. If he does, by coming back to this thread, people will think that their logic in taking him over SJax was not faulty. However, it still would be. Regardless of how it plays out...The_Future wrote:We need to make sure we keep this thread alive in December for all of the Lamar Miller lovers.
*LM supporters might see this as a cop-out. But it's just logic. You can use faulty premises to get to a proper conclusion.
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Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
Noted... Well said and my post has been edited.DonBrazi wrote:While I agree with everything you said in your post (see my statements above), I don't like this line.. It implies that you (and I) will be right. We may not be. The point you want to emphasise isn't whether the end result is correct. Rather, it's that the logic is correct. Anything can happen during the season. It's certainly possible that Miller outscores SJax in 2013. If he does, by coming back to this thread, people will think that their logic in taking him over SJax was not faulty. However, it still would be. Regardless of how it plays out...The_Future wrote:We need to make sure we keep this thread alive in December for all of the Lamar Miller lovers.
*LM supporters might see this as a cop-out. But it's just logic. You can use faulty premises to get to a proper conclusion.
Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
i play a deep keeper league. the team was/is a mess, i drafted both miller and david wilson last year in hopes that they would be a solid foundation to build on for the future. i was able to acquire dem thomas right after the season ended this past year. a couple weeks ago i flipped thomas for russel wilson, gordon and sjax. the logic being all that was stated so far in this thread. i like miller as much as anyone, but for a 1 year window, i think its sjax all day every day in terms of what we know and can rely on. (barring injury of course)
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Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
I'm on the Miller hype train, but I'll take SJax side for 2013.
Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
Jackson is a beast. I think he's going to tear it up this year in Atlanta. He could easily finish in the top five and is a lock for the top ten if he can play healthy all year.
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Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
2013 only? SJAX. But that's 2013 only, doesn't mean I'd rather him on my team.
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Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
these guys are 2-3 rounds apart. draft them both haha
i like sjax better as well if we are only talking this year. lots of upside for miller long term but everyone knows that. but as stated above, these guys are 2-3 rounds apart.... it really depends on who ur other backs are and what u need more.. if u already have a rb 1, then id rather take miller in a round 4 and grab an elite wr.... but i am not clear on what kind of league and draft you are in.... but if its as simple as choosing your next pick between these two then its a no brainer.... sjax
i like sjax better as well if we are only talking this year. lots of upside for miller long term but everyone knows that. but as stated above, these guys are 2-3 rounds apart.... it really depends on who ur other backs are and what u need more.. if u already have a rb 1, then id rather take miller in a round 4 and grab an elite wr.... but i am not clear on what kind of league and draft you are in.... but if its as simple as choosing your next pick between these two then its a no brainer.... sjax
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Re: Lamar Miller & Steven Jackson
SJax in 2013 for sure IMO.
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