Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
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Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
Both Eddie Lacy and Le'Veon Bell have their supporters and detractors. One of my teams is RB needy. I do not care for Montee Ball, and I've soured on Giovanni Bernard. I'm looking at Lacy and Bell. Who do you like better in a non-PPR league and why?
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
I like Lacy more than Bell. My rookie top 5 RB rankings at the moment are: 1. Bernard, 2. Lacy, 3. Bell, 4. Ball, 5. Michael. But there are times when I want to put Lacy at #1.
WR: OBJ, Dez, AJG, K. Allen, Crowder, K. White;
RB: Gurley, Montgomery, Lacy; QB: Wilson, Goff; TE: Eifert;
DL: Bosa, Danielle H., Ansah, Frank Clark;
LB: Telvin, Kwon, Collins, Jatavis, D. Lee; DEF: KC;
DB: Burnett, C-Dix, S. Davis; K:
Rookie Bench: C. Coleman, Doctson, N. Spence, Jaylon, Jack;
IR:
Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 2 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF, 4 LB, 3 DL, 4 DB
12 teams, Non-PPR, tackle heavy w/ TFL.
RB: Gurley, Montgomery, Lacy; QB: Wilson, Goff; TE: Eifert;
DL: Bosa, Danielle H., Ansah, Frank Clark;
LB: Telvin, Kwon, Collins, Jatavis, D. Lee; DEF: KC;
DB: Burnett, C-Dix, S. Davis; K:
Rookie Bench: C. Coleman, Doctson, N. Spence, Jaylon, Jack;
IR:
Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 2 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF, 4 LB, 3 DL, 4 DB
12 teams, Non-PPR, tackle heavy w/ TFL.
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
For this year Bell, long term I'd go Lacy.
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
Why? "Lacy" and "long term" in the same sentence on these forums usually impies Lacy isn't the long-term solution.FantasyBandit wrote:For this year Bell, long term I'd go Lacy.
So either everyone that voted loves Lacy, or they just hate Bell -- which is it?
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
Anybody?holy_stromboli wrote:Why? "Lacy" and "long term" in the same sentence on these forums usually impies Lacy isn't the long-term solution.FantasyBandit wrote:For this year Bell, long term I'd go Lacy.
So either everyone that voted loves Lacy, or they just hate Bell -- which is it?
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
I was more excited about Lacy before the draft. I like Bell but don't love him. However, Bell > Ball. I still like Lacy, but will be watching the Packers summer closely. By the time August rolls around, I might actually think that Bell > Lacy.
WR: OBJ, Dez, AJG, K. Allen, Crowder, K. White;
RB: Gurley, Montgomery, Lacy; QB: Wilson, Goff; TE: Eifert;
DL: Bosa, Danielle H., Ansah, Frank Clark;
LB: Telvin, Kwon, Collins, Jatavis, D. Lee; DEF: KC;
DB: Burnett, C-Dix, S. Davis; K:
Rookie Bench: C. Coleman, Doctson, N. Spence, Jaylon, Jack;
IR:
Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 2 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF, 4 LB, 3 DL, 4 DB
12 teams, Non-PPR, tackle heavy w/ TFL.
RB: Gurley, Montgomery, Lacy; QB: Wilson, Goff; TE: Eifert;
DL: Bosa, Danielle H., Ansah, Frank Clark;
LB: Telvin, Kwon, Collins, Jatavis, D. Lee; DEF: KC;
DB: Burnett, C-Dix, S. Davis; K:
Rookie Bench: C. Coleman, Doctson, N. Spence, Jaylon, Jack;
IR:
Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 2 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF, 4 LB, 3 DL, 4 DB
12 teams, Non-PPR, tackle heavy w/ TFL.
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
Fact Bell was drafted before Lacy
Fact Franklin was drafted after Lacy by same team.
NFL scouts have more access to players than we do.
I've read the Steelers want Bell to be a every down back.
The Packers have stated they want to run the ball more effectively. Haven't said they want Lacy to be bell cow.
I don't love Bell or Lacy but for these above reason I am going with Bell.
Fact Franklin was drafted after Lacy by same team.
NFL scouts have more access to players than we do.
I've read the Steelers want Bell to be a every down back.
The Packers have stated they want to run the ball more effectively. Haven't said they want Lacy to be bell cow.
I don't love Bell or Lacy but for these above reason I am going with Bell.
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
Yeah that's what makes me nervous about Lacy, the probably existence of the dreaded RBBC. And the fact that after the Packers' OTAs, Alex Greene was the #1 RB.Hawks Nest 12th Man wrote:Fact Bell was drafted before Lacy
Fact Franklin was drafted after Lacy by same team.
NFL scouts have more access to players than we do.
I've read the Steelers want Bell to be a every down back.
The Packers have stated they want to run the ball more effectively. Haven't said they want Lacy to be bell cow.
I don't love Bell or Lacy but for these above reason I am going with Bell.
WR: OBJ, Dez, AJG, K. Allen, Crowder, K. White;
RB: Gurley, Montgomery, Lacy; QB: Wilson, Goff; TE: Eifert;
DL: Bosa, Danielle H., Ansah, Frank Clark;
LB: Telvin, Kwon, Collins, Jatavis, D. Lee; DEF: KC;
DB: Burnett, C-Dix, S. Davis; K:
Rookie Bench: C. Coleman, Doctson, N. Spence, Jaylon, Jack;
IR:
Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 2 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF, 4 LB, 3 DL, 4 DB
12 teams, Non-PPR, tackle heavy w/ TFL.
RB: Gurley, Montgomery, Lacy; QB: Wilson, Goff; TE: Eifert;
DL: Bosa, Danielle H., Ansah, Frank Clark;
LB: Telvin, Kwon, Collins, Jatavis, D. Lee; DEF: KC;
DB: Burnett, C-Dix, S. Davis; K:
Rookie Bench: C. Coleman, Doctson, N. Spence, Jaylon, Jack;
IR:
Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 RB/WR/TE, 2 WR, 1 WR/TE, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF, 4 LB, 3 DL, 4 DB
12 teams, Non-PPR, tackle heavy w/ TFL.
Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
I prefer Lacy by a fairly wide margin. I just do not trist Le'Veon Bell, and I will not be owning him on any of my teams. I think Bell is a pedestrian talent who landed in an amazing situation. Pre draft, Bell was not in my top 10 RB's, Lacy was my #1. I will admit that Franklin being in GB does make my slighlty nervous, but I will still take Lacy over Bell in any situation, and any format.
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
Bell and it's not close for me. Role is much clearer then Lacy, doesn't have a threat to take away touches or the job(could happen in the future but not now), doesn't have long term injury concerns Lacy has, and Bell is in an offense that truly wants to run the ball and GB still spreads it out all over the place. Don't trust Lacy, a ton of bust potential.
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1 QB, 1 QB/RB, 1 RB, 1 WR, RB/WR, WR/TE, 1 TE, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 2 DL/LB/DB
QB: Dak Prescott/Kyler Murray
RB: Jonathan Taylor/James Robinson/D'Onta Foreman/Chris Hubbard/Keontay Ingram
WR: Jamar Chase/Diontae Johnson/Amron St Brown/Courtland Sutton/Rondale Moore/Donovan Peoples-Jones/Christian Watson
TE: Dalton Schultz/Gerald Everett/Greg Dulcich/Jeremy Ruckert
DL: Joey Bosa/Khalil Mack
LB: Leighton Vander Esch/Tremaine Edmunds/Blake Martinez/Telvin Smith/Sean Lee
DB: Earl Thomas/Keanu Neal/Minkah Fitzpatrick/John Johnson
Picks: 2023(three)
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QB: Dak Prescott/Kyler Murray
RB: Jonathan Taylor/James Robinson/D'Onta Foreman/Chris Hubbard/Keontay Ingram
WR: Jamar Chase/Diontae Johnson/Amron St Brown/Courtland Sutton/Rondale Moore/Donovan Peoples-Jones/Christian Watson
TE: Dalton Schultz/Gerald Everett/Greg Dulcich/Jeremy Ruckert
DL: Joey Bosa/Khalil Mack
LB: Leighton Vander Esch/Tremaine Edmunds/Blake Martinez/Telvin Smith/Sean Lee
DB: Earl Thomas/Keanu Neal/Minkah Fitzpatrick/John Johnson
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
If Lacy had went to the Steelers would you change your tune?Chris_R wrote:Bell and it's not close for me. Role is much clearer then Lacy, doesn't have a threat to take away touches or the job(could happen in the future but not now), doesn't have long term injury concerns Lacy has, and Bell is in an offense that truly wants to run the ball and GB still spreads it out all over the place. Don't trust Lacy, a ton of bust potential.
Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
holy_stromboli wrote:If Lacy had went to the Steelers would you change your tune?Chris_R wrote:Bell and it's not close for me. Role is much clearer then Lacy, doesn't have a threat to take away touches or the job(could happen in the future but not now), doesn't have long term injury concerns Lacy has, and Bell is in an offense that truly wants to run the ball and GB still spreads it out all over the place. Don't trust Lacy, a ton of bust potential.
Steelers are a much better fit, that wouldn't change the injury concerns but it would change his usage to me. I think GB is going to rotate RB's quite a bit and they are much more wide open with their spread offense which is going to lead to more Franklin and that is also gonna be a tough spot for him to me because I think Franklin is going to take over. When I was scouting both backs early on when I was an owner of the 1.01 I was asking myself "what is the big difference between Bell and Lacy", it may have just been me but I didn't see a notiecable difference. Since then Lacy got red flagged quite a bit for injuries, got drafted by a team which I feel is a bad fit, and has a more talented back on the roster(in my opinion) who fits better. While Bell was drafted to a good organization that drafts well, with no threat for losing carries/touches, the coaching staff has talked him up as a workhorse, he has no injury concerns, and is in an offense that suits his skills.
Seems like Bell is a safer pick now, and has a good bit of upside to him as well.
12 Team ppr Dynasty IDP Superflex
1 QB, 1 QB/RB, 1 RB, 1 WR, RB/WR, WR/TE, 1 TE, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 2 DL/LB/DB
QB: Dak Prescott/Kyler Murray
RB: Jonathan Taylor/James Robinson/D'Onta Foreman/Chris Hubbard/Keontay Ingram
WR: Jamar Chase/Diontae Johnson/Amron St Brown/Courtland Sutton/Rondale Moore/Donovan Peoples-Jones/Christian Watson
TE: Dalton Schultz/Gerald Everett/Greg Dulcich/Jeremy Ruckert
DL: Joey Bosa/Khalil Mack
LB: Leighton Vander Esch/Tremaine Edmunds/Blake Martinez/Telvin Smith/Sean Lee
DB: Earl Thomas/Keanu Neal/Minkah Fitzpatrick/John Johnson
Picks: 2023(three)
1 QB, 1 QB/RB, 1 RB, 1 WR, RB/WR, WR/TE, 1 TE, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 2 DL/LB/DB
QB: Dak Prescott/Kyler Murray
RB: Jonathan Taylor/James Robinson/D'Onta Foreman/Chris Hubbard/Keontay Ingram
WR: Jamar Chase/Diontae Johnson/Amron St Brown/Courtland Sutton/Rondale Moore/Donovan Peoples-Jones/Christian Watson
TE: Dalton Schultz/Gerald Everett/Greg Dulcich/Jeremy Ruckert
DL: Joey Bosa/Khalil Mack
LB: Leighton Vander Esch/Tremaine Edmunds/Blake Martinez/Telvin Smith/Sean Lee
DB: Earl Thomas/Keanu Neal/Minkah Fitzpatrick/John Johnson
Picks: 2023(three)
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Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
So this Lacy article came out recently:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ ... 04221.html
Count this as another red flag. Guy sounds like he has depression issues -- really question his desire to be a great RB. I feel like Bell is a much better gamble at this stage in the game.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ ... 04221.html
Count this as another red flag. Guy sounds like he has depression issues -- really question his desire to be a great RB. I feel like Bell is a much better gamble at this stage in the game.
Re: Lacy vs Bell (non-PPR)
Funny that the two RB's I like are eliminated from the discussion in the OP and the two I don't like are the one's we are discussing. I like Ball and I don't see why people wouldn't like him when I watch his tape, but to each his own. I liked Bell, but i don't like him as highly as he's being drafted just due to his situation. Never cared much for Lacey on tape, so I guess I'd go Bell if Lacey is the only other option.
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