Baldwin vs Cobb

[Kaz]

Who would you rather have in the short and long term? I'm looking at acquiring one of them before my draft starts, but I'm undecided about who I like more. Or perhaps someone could recommend another breakout WR that would be in the same price range as these two?

[MR ROURKE]

Baldwin for me. Higher upside, but lower floor/more risk. I like upside.

[TheOracle]

Baldwin. Not really close for me.

[clarion contrarion]

I traded for both of them this off season
agree that baldwin has a higher ceiling - but like cobb as well since I can pair him with rodgers assuming driver retires and he outshines james jones

[feartheturtle7]

Baldwin has so much potential, but I worry about his make-up as a player. Not sure if he will do the right things to keep his career trajectory on path to becoming an elite receiver.

Cobb is explosive, but depth chart limits his production. Do not see Jennings or Jordy going anywhere soon, so he maxes out at a WR3 over the next few years.

[meineymoe]

which Baldwin?



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[Kaz]

which Baldwin?



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Jon of course! Although, I was surprised Doug had such a good year, and think he could be a sneaky play. That all depends on the health of Sid and Big Mike though.

[Spinkso]

I believe that the no.3 WR on Green Bay is worth a lot more than the no.2 on KC.
Cassell in his three years as KC's QB has put up yardage totals of
2009: 2994 yards
2010: 3116 yards
2011: 2800 yards, if you prorate what he did prior to his injury...

Rodgers, over that same span has put up 4400, 3900, and 4600 yards... Plus the 34 TD's he averages a year.

With Rodgers spreading the love to everyone, I think Cobb will see more targets, and he'll do it with teams focused on Jennings/Nelson/Finley. I fully expect Cobb to be the no.3 WR, and the Packers to run a base offense utilizing 3wr/1TE offense.

If you get points for return yardage it tips the scales even more for me.

Long term is too hard to say at this point. Baldwin has all the talent to be a stud, but his work ethic and mental makeup have been questioned since his days at Pitt. Greg Jennings contract is coming up soon, and if all hell breaks loose and they can't keep him in town, Cobb becomes a starter.

As long as Randall Cobb has Aaron Rodgers throwing to him, I'm taking him over the second option for Matt Cassel.

[MR ROURKE]

With Rodgers spreading the love to everyone, I think Cobb will see more targets, and he'll do it with teams focused on Jennings/Nelson/Finley. I fully expect Cobb to be the no.3 WR, and the Packers to run a base offense utilizing 3wr/1TE offense.

You say this like a defense can actually focus on taking three very good players out of the game... can't be done. They can pick one, but that will just cause another to get open even easier, which is one of the reasons why the offense is so good. We already know that the WR3 spot in the GB offense is a nice spot, but it's not starting material in the FF world. Sure a big game sometimes, but nothing that you can count on to start the player.

[Space Cowboy]

Both have a ton of talent.

Baldwin is a knucklehead who didnt perform consistently.

Cobb is a hard worker who contributed in ST and on offense.

[Spinkso]

With Rodgers spreading the love to everyone, I think Cobb will see more targets, and he'll do it with teams focused on Jennings/Nelson/Finley. I fully expect Cobb to be the no.3 WR, and the Packers to run a base offense utilizing 3wr/1TE offense.

You say this like a defense can actually focus on taking three very good players out of the game... can't be done. They can pick one, but that will just cause another to get open even easier, which is one of the reasons why the offense is so good. We already know that the WR3 spot in the GB offense is a nice spot, but it's not starting material in the FF world. Sure a big game sometimes, but nothing that you can count on to start the player.

Cobb wasn't the no.3 last year, it was a rotation. I think he cements himself as THE no.3 receiver with James Jones being the fourth, and Driver picking up the scraps if he's back. I'd also argue that WR2 spot in Kansas City isn't starter material in the fantasy world either. You've got to keep what I said in context. GB WR3=More opportunity than KC WR2.

[TheOracle]

I think Cobb will see more targets, and he'll do it with teams focused on Jennings/Nelson/Finley.

Not only did you manage to make an argument for a WR by talking about all the players on his own team that are better than he is, but you made that argument based on targets. Also, when did James Jones fall off the face of the earth?

[CokeAndBacardi]

I own both and like both of their chances. Baldwin has all the physical tools and unlimited upside but, kind of like a poor man's Dez, he needs to show he has the heart and brain to really make an impact.

Those penciling Cobb in the GB slot this year are probably dead on. I have been watching some 2011 games recently and Cobb looked like a natural in there. I saw him compared to Harvin in another thread. While that's a reach, I think he does have that dynamic aspect to his game where any crossing pattern can be taken for a good chunk on any play. With all the other weapons around him, all he'll need is a few targets to play with.

That being said, I have Baldwin ranked slightly higher. He carries his 6-4, 230 lbs frame as well as any big guy I can think of. He showed some separation speed last year and solid ball skills. Cassel isn't a perfect QB but plenty of solid WRs don't have great passers throwing their way. Look at Calvin early in his career, Fitzgerald/Marshall/Britt lately, etc. Situations change. Natural talent rarely does.

[Richman]

Both have a ton of talent.

Baldwin is a knucklehead who didnt perform consistently.

Cobb is a hard worker who contributed in ST and on offense.

You make good points, so who do you like better?

[Richman]

back to back posts for me in the same thread. I like Baldwin better because I see him as being a real starter in fantasy and Cobb as a only a role player.