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Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby Jcedwards » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:22 pm

How big of a difference would you say there is going forward between these two?

My league is a point per 3 carry league though, but I'm not sure if that matters too much here, because they both will get a good amount of carries.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby Ice » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:10 pm

Howard will/should get way more carries. He is around a 275 carry back. Don't see these two as real close personally.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby skip » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:16 pm

Howard will be the starter for the Bears for a few more years. Not sure Collins makes it thru the 2018 season.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby Goddard » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:26 pm

Difference should probably be around a mid 1st.

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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby lukkynumber13 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:01 pm

Why is Howard guaranteed anything more than Collins is? They were drafted in the same area of the 2016 draft, both have receiving deficiencies, and both play on mediocre teams.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby skip » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:47 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:01 pm Why is Howard guaranteed anything more than Collins is? They were drafted in the same area of the 2016 draft, both have receiving deficiencies, and both play on mediocre teams.
I'm a big believer in the "backup" theory where RBs that get moved to starting roles due to outside factors (injury, retirement, ineffectiveness, suspension, etc) aren't long for those jobs as their teams don't view them as anything more than placeholders. Collins wasn't replaced in the draft but the Ravens will still be looking to find a starter to supplant him sooner than later.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby Goddard » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:19 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:01 pm Why is Howard guaranteed anything more than Collins is? They were drafted in the same area of the 2016 draft, both have receiving deficiencies, and both play on mediocre teams.
I guess to me, Howard's proven over the past two years that he can handle the load and put up numbers at the same time. Collins played well at the end of the season last year, but the sample size is much smaller and he's harder to trust as a sure thing. It's possible Collins ends up being as good as Howard, but as of right now, I wouldn't value them the same.

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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby Jcedwards » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:52 pm

Yea I see how tough it is with Collins. He came on strong at the end of last season, but that’s really all we have on him right now. We know Howard has produced for the most part with stacked boxes.

As far as the number of carries, Collins had 212 last year, while Howard had 276. Collins didn’t start getting the majority of the carries until a couple game in though.

Just can’t decide whether to “downgrade” from Howard to Collins though with these trades.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby knotts4372 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:45 pm

i would need 1.2 with collins to even remotely think about this trade. mentioning the two in a trade like this is ridiculous
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby Jcedwards » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:56 pm

knotts4372 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:45 pm i would need 1.2 with collins to even remotely think about this trade. mentioning the two in a trade like this is ridiculous
That would be ridiculous to trade Howard straight up for Collins, if that is what you are getting at. I’d essentially be replacing Howard with Collins though, but it would be from a separate trade.

The first trade would be sending Howard and Devante Parker for Allen Robinson OR Hilton and Aaron Jones.

The second trade would be sending 2.04 and 3.06 for Alex Collins.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby vix_trader » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:29 am

I would absolutely love to bring in Collins for the 2.04 and a third rounder. People who are down on him here have likely not seen him play. The man runs hard downhill and absolutely punishes tacklers.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:54 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:01 pm Why is Howard guaranteed anything more than Collins is? They were drafted in the same area of the 2016 draft, both have receiving deficiencies, and both play on mediocre teams.
First off, Howard was drafted by the team he still plays for, and secondly, he's been very good as an early down back for 2 years, ever since stepping into the league. 3rd, there isn't a back that can really threaten his early down role compared to what the Ravens have behind Collins.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby jcc6fd » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:19 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:54 am
lukkynumber13 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:01 pm Why is Howard guaranteed anything more than Collins is? They were drafted in the same area of the 2016 draft, both have receiving deficiencies, and both play on mediocre teams.
First off, Howard was drafted by the team he still plays for, and secondly, he's been very good as an early down back for 2 years, ever since stepping into the league. 3rd, there isn't a back that can really threaten his early down role compared to what the Ravens have behind Collins.
This is how I see it. I'm not sure how there is a "debate" regarding these two. Collins stock certainly rose last season, but how could it have risen to Howards level when Howard not only out-produced Collins last year, but has a track record of success. Draft capital should have little bearing on their value at this point.
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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby cougarplayer20 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:49 am

Jcedwards wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:56 pm
knotts4372 wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:45 pm i would need 1.2 with collins to even remotely think about this trade. mentioning the two in a trade like this is ridiculous
That would be ridiculous to trade Howard straight up for Collins, if that is what you are getting at. I’d essentially be replacing Howard with Collins though, but it would be from a separate trade.

The first trade would be sending Howard and Devante Parker for Allen Robinson OR Hilton and Aaron Jones.

The second trade would be sending 2.04 and 3.06 for Alex Collins.
I can see why you would want to do the deal assuming we are talking about your team in your sig.
Me personally, I think Robinson will disappoint so I would rather have Hilton of those two but he is getting older. As for Aaron Jones. Well his two game suspension isn’t gonna help him get more playing time. So I would rather have Howard personally. As for the second trade yeah I would do that even though I’m not a huge Collins fan.
So my question is wouldn’t it be better to use the 2nd and 3rd pick to add a WR instead of downgrading your RB depth in the process?

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Re: Jordan Howard vs Alex Collins

Postby zelldawg26 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:48 am

I would rather take Howard over Collins, even though I don't think either one is the future of either of their teams. Howard to me is not that good considering the amount of touches they had to give him last year in order to get some points on the board. In the 2nd half of the season, Collins outperformed Howard, but the workhorse role belongs to Howard regardless of what they do in Baltimore with Collins for 18. Now if their roles flip in 18 and Collins was given just as many touches as Howard, probably wouldn't be much of an argument. Howard was given 20+ touches 6 times. Collins twice and that shows. Plus Collins is a beast and Howard can't catch. So I'd only take Howard on mainly opportunity but that could easily change.
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