Who you like better long term and why?
I don't think either has much value this year, but starting next year both could have big roles.
I'm trying to decide which one to pick in the early 2nd round of my rookie/ FA draft (if both are still there).
Sutton vs Kirk
Sutton vs Kirk
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR
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TE- Goedert / Waller
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Taxi- Levis / Roschon Johnson / Jameson Williams / Michael Wilson / Okonkwo
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WR- ARSB / Amari Cooper / Ridley / Diontae Johnson / Michael Thomas / Doubs / Wicks
TE- Goedert / Waller
D/ST- Bills / Dolphins / Chiefs
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Taxi- Levis / Roschon Johnson / Jameson Williams / Michael Wilson / Okonkwo
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Re: Sutton vs Kirk
I actually disagree that neither guy has value this season, I think Kirk could lead rookie WRs in at least one area of statistical production. He should definitely be the WR2 in AZ, and no worse than the 3rd target on the team.
Long term tho, I'd take Sutton by a hair because I just don't see Kirk as a very talented WR (he's a great ST asset who I feel was overdrafted).
Long term tho, I'd take Sutton by a hair because I just don't see Kirk as a very talented WR (he's a great ST asset who I feel was overdrafted).
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
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BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
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KITTLE, Goedert
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MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
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JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: Sutton vs Kirk
I actually like them both quite a bit. Kirk is the more elusive of the two which could really help him in the slot. Sutton is the bigger of the two with prototype size to play outsize. Sutton actually displayed a bit better short area skills at the combine which surprised me a bit.
I have been going back and forth on these two. Today I think Sutton by a hair as well. I think Kirk is in the better situation and will probably contribute more early.
Coin flip for me ultimately so my choice could come down to roster asset protection.
I have been going back and forth on these two. Today I think Sutton by a hair as well. I think Kirk is in the better situation and will probably contribute more early.
Coin flip for me ultimately so my choice could come down to roster asset protection.
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Re: Sutton vs Kirk
Sutton is the longterm play and you always want the long term play for WR
Re: Sutton vs Kirk
Thing is for me I don't think I shouldn't need immediate production this year. I have OBJ, M Thomas, Cooper, Crowder, Parker, Westbrook, and Corey Coleman. Just looking for the best long term play, so I've been going back and forth on these 2.Ice wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 8:34 am I actually like them both quite a bit. Kirk is the more elusive of the two which could really help him in the slot. Sutton is the bigger of the two with prototype size to play outsize. Sutton actually displayed a bit better short area skills at the combine which surprised me a bit.
I have been going back and forth on these two. Today I think Sutton by a hair as well. I think Kirk is in the better situation and will probably contribute more early.
Coin flip for me ultimately so my choice could come down to roster asset protection.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR
2019 and 2020 Champion
QB- Mahomes / Purdy
RB- Barkley / Pollard / Kamara / Brian Robinson / Dillon / Charbonnet / Dowdle
WR- ARSB / Amari Cooper / Ridley / Diontae Johnson / Michael Thomas / Doubs / Wicks
TE- Goedert / Waller
D/ST- Bills / Dolphins / Chiefs
K- Butker
Taxi- Levis / Roschon Johnson / Jameson Williams / Michael Wilson / Okonkwo
Picks- 2023: 1.02, 1.11, 2.10, 2.11, 3.11, 4.10, 4.11
2019 and 2020 Champion
QB- Mahomes / Purdy
RB- Barkley / Pollard / Kamara / Brian Robinson / Dillon / Charbonnet / Dowdle
WR- ARSB / Amari Cooper / Ridley / Diontae Johnson / Michael Thomas / Doubs / Wicks
TE- Goedert / Waller
D/ST- Bills / Dolphins / Chiefs
K- Butker
Taxi- Levis / Roschon Johnson / Jameson Williams / Michael Wilson / Okonkwo
Picks- 2023: 1.02, 1.11, 2.10, 2.11, 3.11, 4.10, 4.11
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Re: Sutton vs Kirk
Sutton was my number one wr before the draft. I traded kupp for the pick in order to get him. I plan on waiting 2-3 years, but I am ok with that.
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Kelce/Hurst
15/17/19/21 Champ
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Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
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Re: Sutton vs Kirk
If any of these WR's become a true X in this draft, it's Sutton. I'll take him. He has the size, with a good enough speed score, and absolutely off the charts agility. His ceiling is the higher by far of any WR in this draft IMO.
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Re: Sutton vs Kirk
Agreed. Although, I like DJ Moore a lot as well...but I'm not thrilled about the pairing with Newton.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:05 pm If any of these WR's become a true X in this draft, it's Sutton. I'll take him. He has the size, with a good enough speed score, and absolutely off the charts agility. His ceiling is the higher by far of any WR in this draft IMO.
A lot of people are (IMO correctly) no longer holding WR size as important as they once held it. Because of how the passing game has been trending, smaller and more agile, difficult to keep up with WRs can do more for you than big bodied "my ball" WRs. I think some people are looking past Sutton because he's a big bodied guy and that just isn't as coveted an attribute as it once was. He's ALSO incredibly agile, which should give him more of that "difficult to keep up with" attribute.
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