Postby jonf86 » Sat May 12, 2018 12:28 pm
Titans95 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 9:16 am
Cherokee wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:59 am
Titans95 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:43 am
any running back thats didnt start until their jr/sr year. Hate on pumphrey all you want but he had 2,000 yards in college, why take him out of the game with that production? Of course it didn't work in the NFL but he's also 5'8 175 vs 5'11 220.
Definitely not hating on Pumphrey at all and I know what he did in college. Zach Zenner rushed for over 2000 yards 3 years in a row. Am I impressed?
Impressed by the fact that Guice was able to show with Fournette on the same team, playing the same position.
Its just something that is right there in your face that one can look at to see Guice over Penny. I know how ya feel about it. I could be wrong. I would also like to say that Penny going in the 1st round and other teams supposedly calling to trade for him might not be all about football skill. Could be about maturity or how well he interview. Same goes for Guice not going in the first.
Guice was able to show with Fournette when Fournette didnt play because of injury...then he took a huge step back when the backfield was his alone....I know a lot of that was due to injury as well I'm just saying. Don't get me wrong I think Guice is the more talented running back and I really like him a lot but I just think its crazy that people think there is a world of difference between their skill level, if that were the case most of those teams would've been able to look over immaturity of Guice if he was truly in a Tier on his own behind Barkley. So again I'm not saying Penny>guice because of talent I'm saying Penny>Guice because the talent gap isn't wide enough to trump how much better of a situation Penny is in. As far as fantasy goes, opportunity trumps talent almost always....as evidence by Gordon being a top 10 back two years in row without even being able to crack 4YPC. Guice may ball out and get 250-275 carries for 4.5-5ypc but if he isn't catching any footballs Penny can easily out produce him by sheer volume alone, especially if he can crack 50 receptions...thats an additional 500 yards Guice has to beat Penny by on the ground alone.
I think theres some truth to your line of reasoning, but I would argue Penny's opportunity advantage (more opportunities on 3rd down) is at least somewhat negated by the Redskins having a superior offensive line to the Seahawks. Last year, it didn't show as much because the Redskins had quite a few injuries to their oline group, but in a vacuum I think their easily the better group. So, I think Guice being the more naturally talented player plus playing behind a more talented offensive line plus being about 1 1/2 years younger gives him the advantage over Penny being a more likely 3 down back. FYI, I don't bring up age because there's a world of difference between being 22 and 20 1/2, but I just think it's important to note when judging their college performance. Guice was an outstanding performer, while often times being one of the more younger players on the field. Can't say the same thing about Penny.
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