Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

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Potential RB Careers for Barkley (Choose as many as you want)

Cedric Benson
0
No votes
Ronnie Brown
0
No votes
Reggie Bush
1
1%
Frank Gore
12
9%
Mark Ingram
8
6%
Steven Jackson
18
14%
Marshawn Lynch
15
11%
Ryan Mathews
0
No votes
Lesean McCoy
38
29%
Darren McFadden
3
2%
Knowshon Moreno
1
1%
Adrian Peterson
28
21%
Trent Richardson
5
4%
CJ Spiller
1
1%
Cadillac Williams
1
1%
 
Total votes: 131

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby TheEastWest » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:16 am

lukkynumber13 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:29 pm
krombj19 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:23 pm Doesn't this worry you that McCoy is the most compared to? McCoy is good, but he's not Zeke/Gurley/DJ good, which is what everyone thinks Barkley is going to be??
McCoy is absolutely "Zeke/DJ/Gurley good". You do know that, right?

Shady has been one of the best skill position players in the NFL of the last decade.
Granted McCoy as been a really solid RB but I only recall 1 year he was viewed as a pick top 5 redraft pick. He’s never been viewed as a must have top 3-4 pick other then 1 year like Gurley and Zeke are now .. Not trying to dismiss what McCoy has accomplished he’s just never been viewed as a LT, Faulk , type which most are hoping for with Barkley .
With the offers I see being turned down for Barkley he needs to have many years as a clear cut top 3 pick not like McCoys one year viewed as the stud of the draft. One could make a case McCoy has been one of the steals of many drafts but for whatever reason he’s not a top 5 player come draft time ..

Sorry Lucky but McCoy is not Gurley , Zeke good.. ..
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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:43 am

Lesean McCoy's career stat lines, in terms of total yards and total TDs:

945 and 4
1672 and 9
1624 and 20
1213 and 5 (only 12 games)
2146 and 11
1474 and 5
1187 and 5 (only 12 games)
1623 and 14
1586 and 8

I understand what some are saying in the sense that, from a redraft perspective especially, he often has been seen each year as a tick behind the "all pro studs" at RB, whoever that guy is any given year - AP, Charles, Bell, Zeke, Kamara, etc. But that's his PERCEPTION. In reality, if the career stat lines listed above were the future lines for Saquon, you're telling me you'd be upset?

Btw those lines don't even include any PPR bonus. The dude has 441 catches.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:58 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:43 am Lesean McCoy's career stat lines, in terms of total yards and total TDs:

945 and 4
1672 and 9
1624 and 20
1213 and 5 (only 12 games)
2146 and 11
1474 and 5
1187 and 5 (only 12 games)
1623 and 14
1586 and 8

I understand what some are saying in the sense that, from a redraft perspective especially, he often has been seen each year as a tick behind the "all pro studs" at RB, whoever that guy is any given year - AP, Charles, Bell, Zeke, Kamara, etc. But that's his PERCEPTION. In reality, if the career stat lines listed above were the future lines for Saquon, you're telling me you'd be upset?

Btw those lines don't even include any PPR bonus. The dude has 441 catches.
I don't think ppl understand how hard it is to rush for several 1,000 yard seasons. Most RB's that ppl are in love with get 1 or 2 such seasons max for their career.

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:42 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:58 pm
lukkynumber13 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:43 am Lesean McCoy's career stat lines, in terms of total yards and total TDs:

945 and 4
1672 and 9
1624 and 20
1213 and 5 (only 12 games)
2146 and 11
1474 and 5
1187 and 5 (only 12 games)
1623 and 14
1586 and 8

I understand what some are saying in the sense that, from a redraft perspective especially, he often has been seen each year as a tick behind the "all pro studs" at RB, whoever that guy is any given year - AP, Charles, Bell, Zeke, Kamara, etc. But that's his PERCEPTION. In reality, if the career stat lines listed above were the future lines for Saquon, you're telling me you'd be upset?

Btw those lines don't even include any PPR bonus. The dude has 441 catches.
I don't think ppl understand how hard it is to rush for several 1,000 yard seasons. Most RB's that ppl are in love with get 1 or 2 such seasons max for their career.
For sure

The craziest thing is that Gore doesn't have more votes. For anyone who has only played fantasy for a year or 2, go google Gore's career stats. Tell me you wouldn't LOVE to have that career from Saquon!

Frankly, if you didn't vote for Gore, Lynch, or S-Jax (in addition to AP) - you're absolutely fooling yourself.
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
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TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
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TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
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TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
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TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby dynastyninja » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:07 am

TheEastWest wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:16 am
lukkynumber13 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:29 pm
krombj19 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:23 pm Doesn't this worry you that McCoy is the most compared to? McCoy is good, but he's not Zeke/Gurley/DJ good, which is what everyone thinks Barkley is going to be??
McCoy is absolutely "Zeke/DJ/Gurley good". You do know that, right?

Shady has been one of the best skill position players in the NFL of the last decade.
Granted McCoy as been a really solid RB but I only recall 1 year he was viewed as a pick top 5 redraft pick. He’s never been viewed as a must have top 3-4 pick other then 1 year like Gurley and Zeke are now .. Not trying to dismiss what McCoy has accomplished he’s just never been viewed as a LT, Faulk , type which most are hoping for with Barkley .
With the offers I see being turned down for Barkley he needs to have many years as a clear cut top 3 pick not like McCoys one year viewed as the stud of the draft. One could make a case McCoy has been one of the steals of many drafts but for whatever reason he’s not a top 5 player come draft time ..

Sorry Lucky but McCoy is not Gurley , Zeke good.. ..
How long have you been playing fantasy? McCoy was absolutely Gurley Zeke good. There were many redraft years where he was a top 5 pick.

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby krombj19 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:55 am

dynastyninja wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:07 am
TheEastWest wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:16 am
lukkynumber13 wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:29 pm McCoy is absolutely "Zeke/DJ/Gurley good". You do know that, right?

Shady has been one of the best skill position players in the NFL of the last decade.
Granted McCoy as been a really solid RB but I only recall 1 year he was viewed as a pick top 5 redraft pick. He’s never been viewed as a must have top 3-4 pick other then 1 year like Gurley and Zeke are now .. Not trying to dismiss what McCoy has accomplished he’s just never been viewed as a LT, Faulk , type which most are hoping for with Barkley .
With the offers I see being turned down for Barkley he needs to have many years as a clear cut top 3 pick not like McCoys one year viewed as the stud of the draft. One could make a case McCoy has been one of the steals of many drafts but for whatever reason he’s not a top 5 player come draft time ..

Sorry Lucky but McCoy is not Gurley , Zeke good.. ..
How long have you been playing fantasy? McCoy was absolutely Gurley Zeke good. There were many redraft years where he was a top 5 pick.
Long enough, but i just never played redraft at first... i would always play in a keeper league and wasnt involved in forums at that time, so if he was, thats awesome
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QB - Jameis Winston EX 2YRS at $42 and Sam Darnold 2YRS at $14

RB - Saquon Barkley 2YRS at $35, Dalvin Cook 1YR at $17, Rex Burkhead 1YR at $4, Ty Montgomery 3YRS at $14, Damien Williams 1YR at $2, Royce Freeman 2YRS at $10

WR - Amari Cooper EX 5YRS at $50, Sammy Watkins EX 3YRS at $60, Golden Tate 1YR at $60, Devante Parker EX 1YR at $35, Kenny Golladay 4YRS at $2

TE - Travis Kelce EX 5YRS at $52, Austin Hooper 2YRS at $12

D/ST - Rams 1YR at $2, Chiefs 1YR at $3

K - Stephen Gostowski 1YR at $3

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby Goddard » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:23 pm

Frank Gore, Steven Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Adrian Peterson, and Marshawn Lynch (minus the retirement) are the only players that should have votes. If you draft any rookie RB and they have the career that any of these guys had, you should be thrilled.

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby Triton85 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:27 pm

Been looking at some stats... its really eye opening to see the numbers Gore has put up in my "fantasy career" considering I started playing in 2006

I think there is a few types of comparisons, you have guys like Alexander / Holmes that are amazing studs for 4-5 years then you have guys like Gore who are probably top 10 guys for a decade...

I think I'd prefer a Gore type - guy I know I can count on over and over again. But I know I'm probably the minority there when it comes to preferring a high floor/solid ceiling vs low floor/high ceiling

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby johninvandergrift » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:28 pm

That being said, in a Dynasty League Start up right now - where do you take Barkley? Made the comparisons to a lot of top 5 RB picks for a lot of years. Only going to get one shot at him. Is he a "sure thing"? Do you pull the trigger in round 1?

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby Triton85 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:42 pm

I think he's a 1st round talent in a start up

I think you are looking

ODB/Nuk at 1/2
3. Zeke
4. Gurley
5. Evans
6. Bell
7. Brown
8. Thomas
9. Barkley (could see this at 5)

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby krombj19 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:10 pm

Triton85 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:42 pm I think he's a 1st round talent in a start up

I think you are looking

ODB/Nuk at 1/2
3. Zeke
4. Gurley
5. Evans
6. Bell
7. Brown
8. Thomas
9. Barkley (could see this at 5)
if you really loved Barkley, what would you need to trade him???
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QB - Jameis Winston EX 2YRS at $42 and Sam Darnold 2YRS at $14

RB - Saquon Barkley 2YRS at $35, Dalvin Cook 1YR at $17, Rex Burkhead 1YR at $4, Ty Montgomery 3YRS at $14, Damien Williams 1YR at $2, Royce Freeman 2YRS at $10

WR - Amari Cooper EX 5YRS at $50, Sammy Watkins EX 3YRS at $60, Golden Tate 1YR at $60, Devante Parker EX 1YR at $35, Kenny Golladay 4YRS at $2

TE - Travis Kelce EX 5YRS at $52, Austin Hooper 2YRS at $12

D/ST - Rams 1YR at $2, Chiefs 1YR at $3

K - Stephen Gostowski 1YR at $3

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby Valhalla » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:58 pm

I can’t vote because I don’t see LT2x2

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby ArrylT » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:21 pm

Valhalla wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:58 pm I can’t vote because I don’t see LT2x2
Alas I didnt include RBs drafted prior to 2002 I believe. Speaking of LT he is only turning 39 this year - Its been 7 years since he retired :( - imagine if he had played with Tom Brady and had followed his health regimen ... :shock:
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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby Valhalla » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:51 pm

ArrylT wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:21 pm
Valhalla wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:58 pm I can’t vote because I don’t see LT2x2
Alas I didnt include RBs drafted prior to 2002 I believe. Speaking of LT he is only turning 39 this year - Its been 7 years since he retired :( - imagine if he had played with Tom Brady and had followed his health regimen ... :shock:
Yeah I was being sarcastic. I’d happily take guys down to about Steven Jackson. Ronnie Brown could have been so good...same with Cadillac...stupid injuries.

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Re: Saquon Barkley Career Comparison

Postby IBall2 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:22 am

Looking back at Mizelle's ADP data, in 2015 McCoy was the RB8 overall. In 2014 McCoy was the RB1 overall (#3 behind AJG and Megatron) in 2013 McCoy was RB6 overall. I'd say that was when McCoy was in his prime and I would be totally happy with those ADPs for Barkley when he's in his mid 20s.


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