Samuel v Godwin v Zay Jones

[remedy29]

How much of a boost does Zay Jones get now after the Watkins trade? Zay Jones value was already high with the potential he becomes the number 1 WR by 2018. He hasn't even played a game and that potential situation has already occurred.

I think Zay Jones is now a solid late 1st draft pick.

[drbuttermaker]

How much of a boost does Zay Jones get now after the Watkins trade? Zay Jones value was already high with the potential he becomes the number 1 WR by 2018. He hasn't even played a game and that potential situation has already occurred.

I think Zay Jones is now a solid late 1st draft pick.

He gets a slight boost for me, but the Matthews acquisition keeps him in the same tier.

[remedy29]

How much of a boost does Zay Jones get now after the Watkins trade? Zay Jones value was already high with the potential he becomes the number 1 WR by 2018. He hasn't even played a game and that potential situation has already occurred.

I think Zay Jones is now a solid late 1st draft pick.

He gets a slight boost for me, but the Matthews acquisition keeps him in the same tier.

But Mathews is a proven replaceable WR. Zay Jones "may" be no better, but at least he hasn't proven to be easily replaceable.

[Defender]

If Hackenberg hadn't sucked so much for Godwin's first couple years

Hackenberg did not suck. He was a hammer being asked to tighten a screw. There is a big difference.

Care to elaborate on this analogy?

[drbuttermaker]

If Hackenberg hadn't sucked so much for Godwin's first couple years

Hackenberg did not suck. He was a hammer being asked to tighten a screw. There is a big difference.

Care to elaborate on this analogy?

Sure. Hack was recruited to run Bill O'Brien's offense, and he did a great job his Freshman year.

Then James Franklin comes in with a system that requires a quarterback with a completely different skill set, yet barely alters it to play to Hack's strengths. This led to things like an inexplicably countless number of read-option plays out of the shotgun. These plays had a predictably low rate of success.

That is just one example of many. There is a reason Hackenberg thanked almost literally everyone in the program except Franklin when he announced he was leaving.

[Defender]

Hackenberg did not suck. He was a hammer being asked to tighten a screw. There is a big difference.

Care to elaborate on this analogy?

Sure. Hack was recruited to run Bill O'Brien's offense, and he did a great job his Freshman year.

Then James Franklin comes in with a system that requires a quarterback with a completely different skill set, yet barely alters it to play to Hack's strengths. This led to things like an inexplicably countless number of read-option plays out of the shotgun. These plays had a predictably low rate of success.

That is just one example of many. There is a reason Hackenberg thanked almost literally everyone in the program except Franklin when he announced he was leaving.

I see your stance on this, but it was my understanding that Franklin ran so many plays out of the shot gun to try to mask some of the OLine deficiencies. While I think Franklin likes the shotgun, I think the disparity was mostly by necessity as opposed to him not caring what his QB is comfortable with.

[drbuttermaker]

I see your stance on this, but it was my understanding that Franklin ran so many plays out of the shot gun to try to mask some of the OLine deficiencies. While I think Franklin likes the shotgun, I think the disparity was mostly by necessity as opposed to him not caring what his QB is comfortable with.

That is absolutely part of the equation, as is Franklin's insistence on redshirting his best linemen.

[rubber_duck]

Jones is incredibly overrated around here. He has short area quickness and not much else. He's Kendall Wright / Eddie Royal.

Samuel is too gimmicky for my liking. They don't translate to FF.

Godwin may not have a high ceiling but he should be a very solid WR. He's my pick here.

We agree on this.
Godwin would be my pick of these three. He falls in my rankings only because of his hands. He is able to get into position for very tough catches but just can't seem to actually bring them in very often.

Zay Jones superficially reminded me of Boyd from last year, but not nearly as good. Same as Godwin, Zay doesn't have great hands. Same as Boyd, he gets tackled at first contact.

As for Samuel, well ... just not that impressed.

What do you mean Godwin can get into position for tough catches but can't bring them in?!?!?! He has an 85.7% contested catch conversion rate. Last time I checked that involves a lot of catching. Godwin all the way.

85.7% contested catch conversion rate? That is truly incredible. Most WRs catch a total of only 60% of their targets and that is including the uncontested ones.

I don't put much stock in "advanced analytics" such as this one, and rely more on what I see in film. A similar advanced analytic tried to say that Treadwell was "open" on a high percentage of his routes as a college player. I watched a lot of film and he wasn't open, but he was good at contested catches.

Anyway, it doesn't seem we are disagreeing about Godwin being at the top of this list.

[btaylor383]

A lot has to break right for Samuel to be a reliable asset

[albedo1986]

How much of a boost does Zay Jones get now after the Watkins trade? Zay Jones value was already high with the potential he becomes the number 1 WR by 2018. He hasn't even played a game and that potential situation has already occurred.

I think Zay Jones is now a solid late 1st draft pick.

Wouldn't get closed to touching him there. But I hope he does go there, so I can keep getting the players I want lol. I'm picturing Zay Jones attempting to line up against the real deal CBs out there. Good luck bro! He better stick to 2yard slants.