POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

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Which has the best Dynasty/FF career?

OJ Howard
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David Njoku
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19%
Evan Engram
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32%
 
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POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby DYNASTY BALLA$ » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:53 am

Which has the best DYNASTY / FF career?

I know OJ Howard is considered the all-around top TE in this year's class, but which of the top 3 TE do you feel will have the best fantasy career?
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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby ThatGuyBrian » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:09 am

To early to tell really and you would have to wait to see what team picks them. However I think that Engram will end up having the better career. It is easy to pick Howard because he is flashy but Engram is the better all around TE.
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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby HEADBANGER » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:39 pm

I'd still say Howard will be best career. Dude just looks and smells the part, can catch, run, block, height, weight.... His comp said to be Jimmy Graham.

Engram is on the smaller size and not a blocker so might limit his 3 down potential. He comp is said to be Jordan Reed. If he goes to the right team I can see him being a top 10 starter for many years.

Njoku is a project and raw, looks to be a physical specimen in the Vernon Davis mold. Tho a great player not overly productive or consistent as a fantasy player. He is probably the biggest risk of the three mentioned.
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Postby Steelersfan » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:28 pm

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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby ELSOUZA » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:45 am

I think I'm taking Engram

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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby onetwothree » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:12 am

Mentioned in another thread but Howard being a great blocker concerns me as the team might use him as a blocker more often and not have him run as many routes versus a guy like Engram who isn't as good of a blocker so will primarily be in as a receiving option.

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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby IBall2 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:15 am

onetwothree wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:12 am Mentioned in another thread but Howard being a great blocker concerns me as the team might use him as a blocker more often and not have him run as many routes versus a guy like Engram who isn't as good of a blocker so will primarily be in as a receiving option.
This is known as the 'Julius Thomas effect'. He can't block so he's only on the field for passing plays and this tips off the defense to watch the pass and not worry so much for the run. If they ask him to block, he's a liability and doesn't see as much time on the field. Coaches pull their hair out because of these type of TE's.

I think it's a weak argument to say Howard is going to lose targets because he's going to be busy blocking. He has the advantage of staying on the field for designed run plays where-as some other rookie TEs that can't block have to come off the field which costs the team valuable time and if the TE is only used as a passer, that eats up one of the WR positions that could be useful in some situations. If they're running a hurry up offense because they think they have an advantage with the personnel on the field for the Defense, they can't sub in one of these other rookie tight-ends. Howard however would most likely already be on the field and ready to take advantage of the mismatch.

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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby onetwothree » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:02 pm

IBall2 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:15 am
This is known as the 'Julius Thomas effect'. He can't block so he's only on the field for passing plays and this tips off the defense to watch the pass and not worry so much for the run. If they ask him to block, he's a liability and doesn't see as much time on the field. Coaches pull their hair out because of these type of TE's.

I think it's a weak argument to say Howard is going to lose targets because he's going to be busy blocking. He has the advantage of staying on the field for designed run plays where-as some other rookie TEs that can't block have to come off the field which costs the team valuable time and if the TE is only used as a passer, that eats up one of the WR positions that could be useful in some situations. If they're running a hurry up offense because they think they have an advantage with the personnel on the field for the Defense, they can't sub in one of these other rookie tight-ends. Howard however would most likely already be on the field and ready to take advantage of the mismatch.
Not necessarily. Let's say he goes to a team with a weak offensive line. They'll use the extra body to help bolster their run blocking and pass protection. Just something to consider. That's all. Alabama has a pretty good offensive line and aside from the National Championship games, I just don't recall many times that Howard was used as a pass catcher and instead use him to help with their run blocking. A lot of Howard's value is based on projections so just pumping the brakes a bit. Of course I have 1.08 and would be more than happy to take him there.!

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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby FiremanEd » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:09 pm

ThatGuyBrian wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:09 am To early to tell really and you would have to wait to see what team picks them. However I think that Engram will end up having the better career. It is easy to pick Howard because he is flashy but Engram is the better all around TE.
I agree with the first part, but don't understand the last piece. In fact, it seems backwards. Howard is easily the better all around TE, but Engram is more flashy and potentially the more productive fantasy career given he's primarily a pass catcher (if not WR playing TE). His big strength is what the fantasy game is built on.

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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby Hvy20 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:04 pm

Is Engram really even a TE? I watched tape/ researched him recently and he is an outstanding receiver but not a blocker. I want my TEs on the field all 3 downs, not just on passing plays. As someone mentioned, TEs that don't block have limited use. Yes receiving TEs are best for fantasy, but TEs that do it all are on the field more with more opportunities.
Also, Engrams size and speed would tell me he's more of a WR. I don't know where this guy fits on a team, you have to worry about landing spot and how they use him. It has to be somewhere though, his receiving skills are undeniable.
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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby GridironGuerilla » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:27 am

I have no real opinion here but I'm extremely interested as i have a couple of picks in the mid and late first and am considering getting a share or two of this TE class. Might be a little early but it's in the range of possibilities.
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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby stoneghost28 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:25 am

IBall2 wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:15 am
onetwothree wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:12 am Mentioned in another thread but Howard being a great blocker concerns me as the team might use him as a blocker more often and not have him run as many routes versus a guy like Engram who isn't as good of a blocker so will primarily be in as a receiving option.
This is known as the 'Julius Thomas effect'. He can't block so he's only on the field for passing plays and this tips off the defense to watch the pass and not worry so much for the run. If they ask him to block, he's a liability and doesn't see as much time on the field. Coaches pull their hair out because of these type of TE's.

I think it's a weak argument to say Howard is going to lose targets because he's going to be busy blocking. He has the advantage of staying on the field for designed run plays where-as some other rookie TEs that can't block have to come off the field which costs the team valuable time and if the TE is only used as a passer, that eats up one of the WR positions that could be useful in some situations. If they're running a hurry up offense because they think they have an advantage with the personnel on the field for the Defense, they can't sub in one of these other rookie tight-ends. Howard however would most likely already be on the field and ready to take advantage of the mismatch.
I have heard scouts/and analysts say that it makes zero sense to use Engram as a TE, that he should be and probably will be converted to just a massive size/speed WR weapon. If this ends up happening, he won't tip off teams about the play calling. Will be interesting to see where he lands and how they choose to use him (apparently he was adequate at the senior bowl if I remember right-memory is a bit hazy).

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Re: POLL: Howard vs Njoku vs Engram

Postby stoneghost28 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:32 am

Hvy20 wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:04 pm Is Engram really even a TE? I watched tape/ researched him recently and he is an outstanding receiver but not a blocker. I want my TEs on the field all 3 downs, not just on passing plays. As someone mentioned, TEs that don't block have limited use. Yes receiving TEs are best for fantasy, but TEs that do it all are on the field more with more opportunities.
Also, Engrams size and speed would tell me he's more of a WR. I don't know where this guy fits on a team, you have to worry about landing spot and how they use him. It has to be somewhere though, his receiving skills are undeniable.
A good portion of insiders I've heard talk about him say he should be converted to WR, not that he will be, depends on landing spot and intentions, but that he definitely should be, that he's wasted at TE.


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