Davante Adams Thread - Concerned?

[Valhalla]

Adams is a sell to me TBH. He is being valued as an elite WR right now and is not an elite talent. Remember just two years ago when Adams was a bust and people were considering dropping him? The TDs are there and there is a good opportunity in front of him but If I can get some of the returns mentioned above I'm moving him.

One way to look at it for sure.

I see leading the league in WR TDs the past 2 years combined and that's with missing Rodgers for most of last season.

Concussions are a concern but he can win at all levels of the field and plays with the best QB in the game.

This is exactly why it is an issue. Hundley would throw to him even when he made mistakes. Rodgers is a QB that is precise and his WR needs to be too and Adams wasn't that in the past. I remember multiple occasions ARod was visibly frustrated with Adams in the past. Maybe a bigger role helps his progression but TD regression is likely coming unless ARod throws for way more TD's. Graham is the TD threat to own there imo.
To me Adams is a sell at current value and Cobb and Graham are the buys because of cost difference

I agree

[Cameron Giles]

Adams is a sell to me TBH. He is being valued as an elite WR right now and is not an elite talent. Remember just two years ago when Adams was a bust and people were considering dropping him? The TDs are there and there is a good opportunity in front of him but If I can get some of the returns mentioned above I'm moving him.

One way to look at it for sure.

I see leading the league in WR TDs the past 2 years combined and that's with missing Rodgers for most of last season.

Concussions are a concern but he can win at all levels of the field and plays with the best QB in the game.

This is exactly why it is an issue. Hundley would throw to him even when he made mistakes. Rodgers is a QB that is precise and his WR needs to be too and Adams wasn't that in the past. I remember multiple occasions ARod was visibly frustrated with Adams in the past. Maybe a bigger role helps his progression but TD regression is likely coming unless ARod throws for way more TD's. Graham is the TD threat to own there imo.
To me Adams is a sell at current value and Cobb and Graham are the buys because of cost difference

What does that have to do with the present, where Adams has been the Packers most efficient WR the past two seasons on top of developing into a high level route runner? Cobb hasn't been good in three years, but he's the better investment over the player who's been better over the same span?

A lot of this seems like fake criticism. How are we stuck on things that happened two seasons ago from a player who's clearly improved significantly since then? He's by far the Packers best offensive weapon right now.

[Johnny Canuck]

Rodgers doesn't need to throw "way more TDs" to make Adams relevant. He averages 37ish TDs over the last 4 years.

So give:
Graham 11 TDs (that's over his highwater mark since 2013)
Cobb 8 TDs (his most since 2014)
Allison 8 TDs (highly unlikely, but that's what James Jones had in 2015)
GB RBs 3 TDs

That still gives Adams 7 TDs...and that's with everyone else basically having career/bounce back years TD wise. That's Adams absolute TD floor imo.

Based on recent history (including 2016 when Adams got 12 TDs with Rodgers...must of been pretty precise that year...just saying) It's far more likely to be something like:

Adams 11 TDs
Graham 12 TDs
Cobb 7 TDs
Allison 4 TDs
GB RBs 3 TDs

If you consider 2016/2015/2014, Rodgers number 1 WR has averaged 12 TDs, and his number 2 WR has averaged 10 TDs. For additional ref, Rodgers TEs have averaged 6 TDs over that time span.

TDs are highly unlikely to be an issue for Adams.

[Valhalla]

One way to look at it for sure.

I see leading the league in WR TDs the past 2 years combined and that's with missing Rodgers for most of last season.

Concussions are a concern but he can win at all levels of the field and plays with the best QB in the game.

This is exactly why it is an issue. Hundley would throw to him even when he made mistakes. Rodgers is a QB that is precise and his WR needs to be too and Adams wasn't that in the past. I remember multiple occasions ARod was visibly frustrated with Adams in the past. Maybe a bigger role helps his progression but TD regression is likely coming unless ARod throws for way more TD's. Graham is the TD threat to own there imo.
To me Adams is a sell at current value and Cobb and Graham are the buys because of cost difference

What does that have to do with the present, where Adams has been the Packers most efficient WR the past two seasons on top of developing into a high level route runner? Cobb hasn't been good in three years, but he's the better investment over the player who's been better over the same span?

A lot of this seems like fake criticism. How are we stuck on things that happened two seasons ago from a player who's clearly improved significantly since then? He's by far the Packers best offensive weapon right now.

He never once said Adams wasn’t the best option in that offense. He simply said, for the cost, he would rather invest in Cobb and/or Graham. Considering Adams would take a stud to get and Cobb would take a 2nd round rookie pick to get, he might be right. Adams could out-perform Cobb and Cobb could still be the better “value” player, simply because he could provide high production and often costs very little to obtain.

[maxhyde]

One way to look at it for sure.

I see leading the league in WR TDs the past 2 years combined and that's with missing Rodgers for most of last season.

Concussions are a concern but he can win at all levels of the field and plays with the best QB in the game.

This is exactly why it is an issue. Hundley would throw to him even when he made mistakes. Rodgers is a QB that is precise and his WR needs to be too and Adams wasn't that in the past. I remember multiple occasions ARod was visibly frustrated with Adams in the past. Maybe a bigger role helps his progression but TD regression is likely coming unless ARod throws for way more TD's. Graham is the TD threat to own there imo.
To me Adams is a sell at current value and Cobb and Graham are the buys because of cost difference

What does that have to do with the present, where Adams has been the Packers most efficient WR the past two seasons on top of developing into a high level route runner? Cobb hasn't been good in three years, but he's the better investment over the player who's been better over the same span?

A lot of this seems like fake criticism. How are we stuck on things that happened two seasons ago from a player who's clearly improved significantly since then? He's by far the Packers best offensive weapon right now.

The present meaning ARod's 5 games with him last year he was under 10 PPR points in 3 of those 5 games and in the 9 games he played with Hundley he was under 10PPR points twice. I dunno how much more present you want. Saying he is their best weapon is a projection without Jordy and maybe it is accurate

[Blueboy]

As much as I think Adams puts up points this year, I can't see his value ever rising higher than this. Easy sell if you can get full price imo

[Johnny Canuck]

The present meaning ARod's 5 games with him last year he was under 10 PPR points in 3 of those 5 games and in the 9 games he played with Hundley he was under 10PPR points twice. I dunno how much more present you want. Saying he is their best weapon is a projection without Jordy and maybe it is accurate

Adams played 6 games with Rodgers last year, weeks 1-5 & week 15.

Over the course of those 6 games:

- He scored a total of 92.2 ppr in those 6 games.

- From week 1-5 Adams was the WR8 in total points. Jordy was WR 6...and we all know Jordy is no longer there.

- Adams ppg over those weeks (with Rodgers) works out to 15.4 pts

- For the year, 15.4 ppr pts would of ranked him WR10 in ppg (right behind Julio).

- With Rodgers, Adams had a total of 46 targets - 7.7 per game. In Hundley games he averaged 9 targets per game. That 1.3 extra target doesn't mean that much, as a target from Rodgers is worth far more than a target from Hundley.

- He also had 12 RZ targets in 6 games with Rodgers - 2 RZ targets per game. In Hundley games he only averaged 1.4 RZ targets. Like I said, a target from Rodgers is worth more than one from Hundley.

I'm not sure what the debate is, but it's not like Adams was bad in Rodgers games last season. He was the 8th best WR from week 1-5 (with an active Rodgers). When Hundley stepped in, Adams rank (from week 6-14) fell to the 12th WR. Then when Rodgers came back and played in week 15, Adams managed to score 16.7 ppr points.

Also, in 2016 with Rodgers (and Jordy getting 14 TDs) Adams ppg in ppr was still 15.4 pts, and ranked 11th among WRs (the same as last yr). Something else to note, among top 10 WRs last season (in ppr ppg), only Tyreek and Michael Thomas are younger than Adams.

Considering his past production and newly expanded role, he's a very safe bet for a top 10 WR this season (with a shot at top 5).

You'll be kicking yourself if you sell him this yr...

[ArrylT]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -extension

Well Rodgers to Adams is going to happen as long as Rodgers to Nelson did I guess ... or for the next 4 years if all goes as expected.

[wesley9547]

So I’m in a salary league that mimics the nfl. I was offered Davante Adams. His contract is at 20mil a year for 5 years. For Amari Cooper who is at 14mil for 4 years. Then he also sent Adams for Kerryon Johnson who is at 750,000 for 4 more years. Just wondering what some other people think.

[ProfPoobah]

If you had the space to run Adams and Cooper as a 1-2 for the immediate future, that sounds good... However, without knowing your cap space and RB situation, I hesitate to say "hell, yes"

[wesley9547]

I have dalvin cool ekler gio and Arron Jones. So I might be a little thin. But it’s start 2 rb start 3 wr. I have amari and ab but I’m losing my number 3 wrs this offseason. And the others I have aren’t as realiable.

[wesley9547]

I have about 25 plus mil space so Adams would est it up I also have all my picks. I finished 9th it 10th

[moishetreats]

Adams @$20/5 >>> Cooper @$14/4. Not even close.

You mentioned KJ in your original post but didn't list him in your follow-up...? Still, I'd trade Cooper for Adams rather than KJ given their salaries.

[Dominus]

Hey everyone!

How are you feeling about Davante Adams right now? I realize that GB has played against three tough defenses to start the year (Bears, Vikings, Broncos), but, I'm having to fight to not be concerned about the Packers' offense.

If you own Adams, is he a hold for you right now? Or are you looking to move him before things get worse?

[bjd5211]

Yup total panic time, just like it was for Evans after week 2.