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Holdout rules

Postby proffitt9 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:55 pm

Was listening to the recent “DLF Dynasty podcast” about new league settings and one mentioned his holdout rule. Very interested in this concept and was wondering if anyone has a layout of a holdout rule for their salary cap contract league.
12 Team 53 man roster PPR/IDP Superflex TE Prem. Salary Contracts - NPLB Scoring Full IDP

Runner-Up: 2019
Wildcard: 2019

QB: Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray
RB: Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook, Jaylen Samuels, Traveyeon Williams
WR: AJ Brown, Amari Cooper, Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Curtis Samuel, Keke Coutee, Robert Foster, Myles Boykin (TS), Diontae Johnson (TS)
TE: Austin Hooper, Mark Andrews, Kahale Warring (TS)

DT: Jerry Tillery (TS)
DE: Myles Garrett, Yannick Ngakoue, Carl Lawson
LB: Zach Cunningham, Jaylon Smith, Matt Milano, Jerom Baker, Shaun Dion-Hamilton, Bobby Okereke (TS)
CB:
S: Jabrill Peppers, Ronnie Harrison, Taylor Rapp

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Re: Holdout rules

Postby moishetreats » Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:19 pm

I have.

It's based on if a player has finished at the top "x" at his position for each of the past two years and is also at least two years into his contract. One notable exception is that players on their rookie contracts never hold out.

There is FAR more to it, but that's the essence.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --

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Re: Holdout rules

Postby Peach » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:08 am

I’m incorporating a holdout rule to my startup - obviously not working in practice yet but have setup my byelaws as follows:

14. Hold outs

Underpaid players with 1 or 2 years left on their contract will hold out and move to a holdout (H) contract - either HV or veteran or HR for rookie..

Underpayment is defined as a top-performing player with a performance to salary rank exceeding 4:1 at their position.

Players will be considered top-performing if in their previous full season they finished as a top 10 QB/TE or top 15 RB/WR among players playing 10+ games.

For example if the RB3 is paid worse than the 12th best paid RB he will be underpaid.

A holdout player will not play for up to 10 weeks unless their salary is increased to a 2:1 performance to salary ratio.

So the RB3 would need to be paid an amount equal to the 6th highest paid RB, although that is subject to the 6th highest RB not being underpaid himself - in the event that he is, the RB3’s salary will have to match the salary of the 5th highest RB etc until he is matched with a non-underpaid player.

Their demands will reduce over time as follows:

Wks 4-5 of reg season - 25% decrease in additional cash demanded

Wks 6-7 - 50% decrease

Wks 8-9 - 75%

Wk 10 - return on original salary

A holdout player’s salary will count in full against the cap while they are holding out. They will remain on the active roster throughout holdout and cannot be moved to IR even if given that designation by MFL.

A holdout player can be traded but will remain holding out until the relevant salary demands are met.

A holdout player who is extension eligible (ie prior to 15 Aug in final contract year) can be extended provided his new salary meets the holdout demand.

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Re: Holdout rules

Postby proffitt9 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:13 am

moishetreats wrote: Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:19 pm I have.

It's based on if a player has finished at the top "x" at his position for each of the past two years and is also at least two years into his contract. One notable exception is that players on their rookie contracts never hold out.

There is FAR more to it, but that's the essence.
Any chance you can post your by-laws on the matter?
12 Team 53 man roster PPR/IDP Superflex TE Prem. Salary Contracts - NPLB Scoring Full IDP

Runner-Up: 2019
Wildcard: 2019

QB: Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray
RB: Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook, Jaylen Samuels, Traveyeon Williams
WR: AJ Brown, Amari Cooper, Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Curtis Samuel, Keke Coutee, Robert Foster, Myles Boykin (TS), Diontae Johnson (TS)
TE: Austin Hooper, Mark Andrews, Kahale Warring (TS)

DT: Jerry Tillery (TS)
DE: Myles Garrett, Yannick Ngakoue, Carl Lawson
LB: Zach Cunningham, Jaylon Smith, Matt Milano, Jerom Baker, Shaun Dion-Hamilton, Bobby Okereke (TS)
CB:
S: Jabrill Peppers, Ronnie Harrison, Taylor Rapp

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Re: Holdout rules

Postby moishetreats » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:46 pm

Sure. See below.

Please note something key: the Holdout rules here are an extension of a larger vision for the league (an 18-page constitution). So, I'd be wary just blindly using it elsewhere. But, you can get the idea from it. Happy to talk more about and/or answer questions.



Hold-outs (i.e., market correction); determinations must be made by, say, 7 days before the August Auction

Note: Rookie Players on their Rookie Contract who were won at the Rookie Auction will not hold out (this exception is voided if the player’s contract is extended). Note: only a Player won at the Rookie Auction and assigned a Contract at that time is considered to be on a Rookie Contract.

Any player who has already completed at least two years of his contract and has at least one year remaining would holdout subject to the terms below. A player who has had his contract extended would also hold out if eligible regardless of how many years into his extension he is. Note: a player who is holding out may NOT have his contract extended, if eligible. Note: A player who holds out and gets paid will also NOT hold out for two years.

Any QB or TE who finished in the top-12 at his position in both of the previous two years; any RB who finished in the top-24 in both of the previous two years; or any WR who finished in the top-36 in both of the previous two years will hold out for a new contract. The new contract is has the same status (e.g., G or L) as the previous contract and the same number of years. The salary increases.

The terms of the contract is the average of the top-12 highest-paid QBs’ salary at the beginning (i.e., after the August Auction) of the previous year for QBs (regardless of his stats); the top-12 TEs’ for TEs; the top-24 RBs’ for RBs; or the top-36 WRs’ for WRs.

Exception: if the player’s current contract value exceeds this amount, then he does not hold out.

Any QB or TE who finished in the top-4 at his position in both of the previous two years; any RB who finished in the top-8 in both of the previous two years; or any WR who finished in the top-12 in both of the previous two years will hold out for a new contract with a higher salary than listed above.

The terms of the contract is the average of the top-4 highest-paid QBs’ salary at the beginning (i.e., after the August Auction) of the previous year for QBs (regardless of his stats); the top-4 TEs’ for TEs; the top-8 RBs’ for RBs; or the top-12 WRs’ for WRs.

Exception: if the player’s current contract value exceeds this amount, then he does not hold out.

In the event of a hold-out, the current owner has four options: (1) Give the player a new contract subject to the terms above, (2) trade the player, (3) cut the player subject to the contractual terms of his pre-hold-out contract, or (4) stash the player (see below). If any of these players is traded before receiving a new contract, then the new owner may either give that player a new contract, cut that player, trade the player, or stash the player.

A player may NOT hold out multiple times in the same original contract subject to the following exceptions: (1) A player extended may hold out again; (2) A player successfully stashed may hold out again; and (3) a player on a contract of six years or more may hold out multiple times with, at minimum, a two-year wait period after receiving a salary increase from a holdout.

As soon as the Season ends, a memo will go out listing all the players holding out.

Stashing a player: A stashed player will count both for roster limits and for the salary cap at his current salary, but he will not be eligible to play in weekly games. At any time before the player has played 7 NFL games (i.e., after Week 7 for players who have not had their bye and after Week 8 for players who have had their bye), an owner may opt pay, trade, or release the player (if traded, he is subject to the same holdout scenarios).

After the player has missed 7 NFL games, the player will then drop the holdout and return to the team at his current salary. He will then be eligible to play in weekly games.

The following season, the player, if eligible, would hold out again. A player may be stashed for up to two consecutive seasons, after which that option would be unavailable for a holding-out player.

In addition, any player stashed through 7 NFL games is ineligible to have his contract extended. This takes effect the first time that a player is stashed.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
TAXI SQUAD (4 max): --


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