X2. It’s crazy to me. Our community loves Baker. Give me Luck easy. So many takes lean toward the reactionary and flavor of the week. I’m not knocking Baker but cmon people. Sample size does matter.
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Re: Luck or Mayfield in SF
This happens every year with the rookie breakout. Winston and Mariota were Kings for a day. Carr was the GOAT once upon a time. Deshaun Watson. Now it’s Baker’s turn.
Re: Luck or Mayfield in SF
So when a rookie breaks the rookie passing TD record (by 3) while not playing the FIRST FOUR GAMES of the season and a top 3 WR moves to that team in the offseason,he becomes overhyped. Sounds reasonable
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Re: Luck or Mayfield in SF
Rookie passing record means nothing. The game has been transformed, and rules put in place so that my grandmother could throw for 20 TD's a season, now.
Baker is good, but don't talk about record like they are a reasonable way to look at thing beyond 5 years back, because it's just not sound logic.
Luck came back after not playing for almost 2 years and having major shoulder surgery, and threw 39 TD's. That's the other side to it. It's just easier to pass in the NFL than it ever has been. It sells, they've adjusted the league to that. Baker is a fantastic prospect, but don't compare guys who were great in the 80's, 90's 2000's etc. to him statistically, it's irrelevant.
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The ability to prove that you can throw 30 TDs in your rookie year does mean something. Ok. Fine. 29. But it’s never been done before. The previous best was held at 26 by P. Manning and R. Wilson. I know.... not very highly regarded QBs. So you go right ahead and doubt, because the numbers do lie
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First off, it was 27, not 29. The numbers don't lie, you do. Or are misinformed. Secondly, I never said Baker wasn't good. My point was, passing records are bunk these days. The game has been transformed so much over the last decade with rules and game play, it's not really relevant. Luck was considered a genrational talent coming out of college, so there is certainly a debate as to whether Baker should be boosted ahead of Luck in ranking because of a very good rookie year.Amoo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:34 am The ability to prove that you can throw 30 TDs in your rookie year does mean something. Ok. Fine. 29. But it’s never been done before. The previous best was held at 26 by P. Manning and R. Wilson. I know.... not very highly regarded QBs. So you go right ahead and doubt, because the numbers do lie
Point is, Baker was a great prospect and had a great rookie year in an era that gives QB's more license than ever to show their talent. However, Luck showed, coming back after major surgery on his throwing shoulder, and not playing for almost 2 years, if you are talented, you can walk into the NFL and light it up. I'm not debating Baker's skill set, just the conditions on which his records were set vs all the talented QB's that came before him.
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Luck, so easily this shouldn’t even be a question I think. but it’s just another example of the power of “shiny new toy” syndrome when it relates to player values. If u own Mayfield and haven’t sold him yet, then you are missing out on prime chance to make a profit. I don’t mean that as a slight to Baker, I like him. But he’s being priced as a top 3ish QB right now for some, and that’s insane. He basically has to be a top 3 scoring QB this year just to maintain value, and would need to be like number one to see any kind of value bump. That makes this a terrible time to jump aboard, and a clear sell window.
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LOL @ the Baker/Bradford comp. I like Baker a lot. Thats coming from a Ravens fan. But lets not get ahead of ourselves. Luck has sustained elite production and is still only 29. I would rather have him regardless of whether its a rebuild/win now situation.
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WR - Adams, Juju, Jakobi, Theilen
TE - Hock, Everett
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TE - Andrews, ISJ
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Re: Luck or Mayfield in SF
I love Mayfield, but I'd still prefer Luck by a little. If the Mayfield owner has him higher though, there's nothing wrong with that, but there's probably not a trade to be made here.
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Re: Luck or Mayfield in SF
Other than their age, this shouldn't really be close. Give me Luck pretty easily.
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Re: Luck or Mayfield in SF
I feel like the Baker hype train is out of control (same with Mahomes) and I love Baker. If Baker throws for 35 TDs, that's a great season. Yet that would be a disappointment when it comes to the types of numbers people are discussing. Since 2013, QBs have thrown for 35 or more TDs 17 times, and only 5 guys have done it twice (Peyton, Rodgers, Luck, Brees, Ryan). Nobody has done it 3 times in that span.
Give me Luck and I'm happy to sell Baker (or Mahomes) high this offseason.
Give me Luck and I'm happy to sell Baker (or Mahomes) high this offseason.
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