Gap between CMC & Barkley?

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.
grandmabetty
Captain
Captain
Posts: 769
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:26 pm

Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby grandmabetty » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:53 am

Targetting both players in trades

Pantherbro13
Starter
Starter
Posts: 538
Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:37 pm

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby Pantherbro13 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:04 am

May be slightly biased but I don’t think there is much of a gap, if any. McCaffrey is a little less than a year older than Barkley so Saquon has that advantage I guess. But on the field there’s really not much difference. I have two teams and one of them has McCaffrey while the other has Saquon. Not sure I’d take any less for either guy if someone approached me for either in a trade. I think both those two are the two strongest players a dynasty team can be built around right now.
12 team PPR/40 player roster/5 round rookie draft

QB
- Josh Allen/Anthony Richardson/Gardner Minshew
RB - Bijan Robinson/Javonte Williams/Joe Mixon/Brian Robinson/Kendre Miller/Chase Brown
WR - Ja’Marr Chase/DJ Moore/DeVonta Smith/Zay FlowersJosh Downs/Tank Dell/Skyy Moore/Dontayvion Wicks/Trey Palmer
TE - TJ Hockenson/Sam LaPorta/Cole Kmet
K - Harrison Butker
DL - Myles Garrett/Jeffrey Simmons/Brian Burns/Christian Barmore/Ed Oliver
LB - Shaq Thompson/Ivan Pace Jr/Pete Werner/Christian Harris/Blake Cashman/Micah McFadden
DB - Kyle Hamilton/Jevon Holland/Reed Blankenship/Kyle Dugger/Dax Hill/Jalen Thompson/Amani Hooker
IR -
TS - Isaiah Likely/Isaiah Spiller/Xavier Gipson

2024 Draft picks - 1st (x2), 2nd (x4), 3rd, 4th
2025 Draft picks - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th

FantasyFreak
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 27242
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:03 am

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:43 am

Pantherbro13 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:04 am May be slightly biased but I don’t think there is much of a gap, if any. McCaffrey is a little less than a year older than Barkley so Saquon has that advantage I guess. But on the field there’s really not much difference. I have two teams and one of them has McCaffrey while the other has Saquon. Not sure I’d take any less for either guy if someone approached me for either in a trade. I think both those two are the two strongest players a dynasty team can be built around right now.
I think there is, though. It's hard to argue we haven't seen CMC's ceiling, but I don't know if we've seen Barkley's. I'd want an early/mid first on top of CMC to move Barkley. I trust Barkley to produce at an elite level for years, not sure I can say that about CMC, because he will never be an elite runner of the football.
"You're a creep. You got caught.." -Dan Patrick

Pantherbro13
Starter
Starter
Posts: 538
Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:37 pm

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby Pantherbro13 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:53 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:43 am
Pantherbro13 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:04 am May be slightly biased but I don’t think there is much of a gap, if any. McCaffrey is a little less than a year older than Barkley so Saquon has that advantage I guess. But on the field there’s really not much difference. I have two teams and one of them has McCaffrey while the other has Saquon. Not sure I’d take any less for either guy if someone approached me for either in a trade. I think both those two are the two strongest players a dynasty team can be built around right now.
I think there is, though. It's hard to argue we haven't seen CMC's ceiling, but I don't know if we've seen Barkley's. I'd want an early/mid first on top of CMC to move Barkley. I trust Barkley to produce at an elite level for years, not sure I can say that about CMC, because he will never be an elite runner of the football.
Disagree, I don’t see how you can say we haven’t seen Barkley’s and have seen McCaffrey’s. McCaffrey put up much better numbers in college and would have had 2K yards this year as well if he wasn’t pulled after the first drive of the week 17 game. The age difference is less than a year and McCaffrey doesn’t have an elite WR1 on his team to take attention from him. He proved this past season he is an elite runner of the football, among the most elusive in the league. Majority of people said he couldn’t run between the tackles and he proved them wrong. Fully expect Carolina to upgrade the OL this offseason only to help McCaffrey continue proving his doubters wrong.
Last edited by Pantherbro13 on Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
12 team PPR/40 player roster/5 round rookie draft

QB
- Josh Allen/Anthony Richardson/Gardner Minshew
RB - Bijan Robinson/Javonte Williams/Joe Mixon/Brian Robinson/Kendre Miller/Chase Brown
WR - Ja’Marr Chase/DJ Moore/DeVonta Smith/Zay FlowersJosh Downs/Tank Dell/Skyy Moore/Dontayvion Wicks/Trey Palmer
TE - TJ Hockenson/Sam LaPorta/Cole Kmet
K - Harrison Butker
DL - Myles Garrett/Jeffrey Simmons/Brian Burns/Christian Barmore/Ed Oliver
LB - Shaq Thompson/Ivan Pace Jr/Pete Werner/Christian Harris/Blake Cashman/Micah McFadden
DB - Kyle Hamilton/Jevon Holland/Reed Blankenship/Kyle Dugger/Dax Hill/Jalen Thompson/Amani Hooker
IR -
TS - Isaiah Likely/Isaiah Spiller/Xavier Gipson

2024 Draft picks - 1st (x2), 2nd (x4), 3rd, 4th
2025 Draft picks - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th

abloom
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 11636
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:33 am

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby abloom » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:59 pm

I wouldn't give up anything beyond a late 1st to go from cmc to Barkley.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0004&O=01

Team #5 4th
https://www45.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =07&F=0009

Team #6 orphan
https://www46.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0013&O=07

abloom
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 11636
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:33 am

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby abloom » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:00 pm

I wouldn't give up anything beyond a late 1st to go from cmc to Barkley.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0004&O=01

Team #5 4th
https://www45.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =07&F=0009

Team #6 orphan
https://www46.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0013&O=07

User avatar
Titans95
Hall of Fame
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4593
Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:47 pm

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby Titans95 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:21 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:43 am
Pantherbro13 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:04 am May be slightly biased but I don’t think there is much of a gap, if any. McCaffrey is a little less than a year older than Barkley so Saquon has that advantage I guess. But on the field there’s really not much difference. I have two teams and one of them has McCaffrey while the other has Saquon. Not sure I’d take any less for either guy if someone approached me for either in a trade. I think both those two are the two strongest players a dynasty team can be built around right now.
I think there is, though. It's hard to argue we haven't seen CMC's ceiling, but I don't know if we've seen Barkley's. I'd want an early/mid first on top of CMC to move Barkley. I trust Barkley to produce at an elite level for years, not sure I can say that about CMC, because he will never be an elite runner of the football.
I disagree as well, I think this past season is pretty much the ceiling for any RB in the modern era. 24-26ppr ppg is as much as we've seen from RB's since the days of guys carrying the ball 350 times a year. I can't imagine expecting anything more from either one of these guys, I think Barkley's insanely high receptions was due to how bad the offense was and Eli having .5 seconds to throw or get sacked but I also think that held Barkley's rushing totals down and perhaps TD totals as well. I also don't think CMC will carry the ball anymore than he did this season but I'd be surprised if his receptions aren't consistently in the 90-110 range each season.

For a guy who doesn't own either in any league and wants to own both lol I probably wouldn't add anything more than a very early 2nd to CMC to get Barkley.

Jigga94
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 16140
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:38 pm

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby Jigga94 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:36 pm

abloom wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:00 pm I wouldn't give up anything beyond a late 1st to go from cmc to Barkley.
This. They're both studs and either one could out volume the other any given week...

User avatar
WhatWouldDitkaDo
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 14721
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:02 am

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:29 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:36 pm
abloom wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:00 pm I wouldn't give up anything beyond a late 1st to go from cmc to Barkley.
This. They're both studs and either one could out volume the other any given week...
x3
Kittles Pox | Championships: 2015, 2017
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd

User avatar
Gator Sens
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 53938
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:17 am
Contact:

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby Gator Sens » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:46 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:29 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:36 pm
abloom wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:00 pm I wouldn't give up anything beyond a late 1st to go from cmc to Barkley.
This. They're both studs and either one could out volume the other any given week...
x3
This. I don't see a big difference between the 2 players

User avatar
Mrowmix
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 331
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:35 am

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby Mrowmix » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:58 am

A late first. CMC is great but Barkley had a 2000 yard season (from scrimmage) in his rookie year with an atrocious line and overall awful team. CMC had a better situation in his rookie year and didn’t come anywhere close to what Barkley did.

There’s reason to believe Barkley will take another step. CMC is probably at his max.

Pantherbro13
Starter
Starter
Posts: 538
Joined: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:37 pm

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby Pantherbro13 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:51 am

Mrowmix wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:58 am A late first. CMC is great but Barkley had a 2000 yard season (from scrimmage) in his rookie year with an atrocious line and overall awful team. CMC had a better situation in his rookie year and didn’t come anywhere close to what Barkley did.

There’s reason to believe Barkley will take another step. CMC is probably at his max.
Did you see the Panthers OL in 2017? Nothing about what they put on tape for the running game had CMC in a better situation than what Barkley had. CMC had the better QB, that’s about it.
12 team PPR/40 player roster/5 round rookie draft

QB
- Josh Allen/Anthony Richardson/Gardner Minshew
RB - Bijan Robinson/Javonte Williams/Joe Mixon/Brian Robinson/Kendre Miller/Chase Brown
WR - Ja’Marr Chase/DJ Moore/DeVonta Smith/Zay FlowersJosh Downs/Tank Dell/Skyy Moore/Dontayvion Wicks/Trey Palmer
TE - TJ Hockenson/Sam LaPorta/Cole Kmet
K - Harrison Butker
DL - Myles Garrett/Jeffrey Simmons/Brian Burns/Christian Barmore/Ed Oliver
LB - Shaq Thompson/Ivan Pace Jr/Pete Werner/Christian Harris/Blake Cashman/Micah McFadden
DB - Kyle Hamilton/Jevon Holland/Reed Blankenship/Kyle Dugger/Dax Hill/Jalen Thompson/Amani Hooker
IR -
TS - Isaiah Likely/Isaiah Spiller/Xavier Gipson

2024 Draft picks - 1st (x2), 2nd (x4), 3rd, 4th
2025 Draft picks - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th

AussieMate
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2091
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:58 pm

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby AussieMate » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:50 am

I'd give a mid first to upgrade to Barkley, I think Cmac over achieved this year and Barkley is only just starting to show his rushing talent.

User avatar
BigBawseRoss
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 11662
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:56 am

Re: Gap between CMC & Barkley?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:40 am

Gator Sens wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:46 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:29 pm
Jigga94 wrote: Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:36 pm
This. They're both studs and either one could out volume the other any given week...
x3
This. I don't see a big difference between the 2 players
if all 4 of you guys would give up first round draft capital for a swap of 1b for 1a then id take that first off your hands a hundred times out of a hundred. makes no sense at all to me.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: NathanielWegman, nicktahoes and 92 guests