Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

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Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby LMS123 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:27 pm

For team 1 in Sig what are thoughts on:

Give: Gurley
Get: 2019 1.07, 2019 1.12, 2020 late 1st, Marlon Mack, and Kerryon Johnson

Giving up Gurley could be tough but I get a lot of potential back. My biggest concern is if the Colts decide to upgrade at RB in the offseason and go for bell. If I did it I could take an rb and 2 wrs in the first round this year and be super deep all around.

I currently have 1.09, 3.06, 4.07, and 4.09
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QB: Purdy, ARich (TS), Levis (TS), Bagent, Hall, Rudolph, Fromm
RB: Roschon (TS), Allgeier, Hill, Demercado, McLaughlin, Mitchell, K. Harris, E. Wilson
WR: Addison, London, Jmo, Shaheed, Reed (TS), Pop D, Iosivas, C. Jones, Mooney, T. Palmer, Scott, Tucker, Austin, Gipson, Melton,
TE: Musgrave, Mayer (TS), Trautman, Gray, Jordan
2024: 1.01, 1.07, 2.04, 2.10, 2.11, 3.01, 3.06, 3.07, 3.11
2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:35 pm

I get the value is there... I love Kerryon and Mack is alright. 1sts are late though so not sure how much they help move the needle... I'd stay with Gurley but I wouldn't blame anyone for cashing out

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby wingnutty » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:34 pm

I get the value aspect, but no. I keep gurley. To make this trade work both mack and kerryon would have to remain RB1/2s and at least 2 of the picks woudl have to develop into good value. Odds of all of that happening isn't great. Gurley wins championships. His advantage is too great and his talent is too rare.

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:38 pm

I'd probably do that, yeah. You're getting 2 starting RB's and 3 firsts. Kerryon is probably worth 1.01, and Mack a mid/early first. Your WR's are extremely weak and this is an opportunity to improve your overall team. I think it's a good offer. 5 firsts in value, two players that you know can play. I'd do it, but I'd also try and squeeze out another pick if I could. You could also tell him to hold off and see where Bell goes, but you'd consider it if Bell doesn't go to Indy. I just think the value is there, and you're team lacks depth and WR's.
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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:38 pm

wingnutty wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:34 pm I get the value aspect, but no. I keep gurley. To make this trade work both mack and kerryon would have to remain RB1/2s and at least 2 of the picks woudl have to develop into good value. Odds of all of that happening isn't great. Gurley wins championships. His advantage is too great and his talent is too rare.
Not with that lineup. I think this is the type of team that needs to make this deal.
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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:42 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:38 pm
wingnutty wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:34 pm I get the value aspect, but no. I keep gurley. To make this trade work both mack and kerryon would have to remain RB1/2s and at least 2 of the picks woudl have to develop into good value. Odds of all of that happening isn't great. Gurley wins championships. His advantage is too great and his talent is too rare.
Not with that lineup. I think this is the type of team that needs to make this deal.
x2. Gurley will be nearly washed if this team rebuilds organically without blowing it up. It's a ways off.
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RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby darewood11 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:08 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:38 pm
wingnutty wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:34 pm I get the value aspect, but no. I keep gurley. To make this trade work both mack and kerryon would have to remain RB1/2s and at least 2 of the picks woudl have to develop into good value. Odds of all of that happening isn't great. Gurley wins championships. His advantage is too great and his talent is too rare.
Not with that lineup. I think this is the type of team that needs to make this deal.
This. Lineup says this is a good decision for this team. I think its acceptable

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby jwb32 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:07 am

I think you have to make this deal. It's not a premium return, but I doubt you get a significantly better offer. And staying the course with that team gets you nowhere.
TEAM 1: 12 team league. 1.0 PPR WR/TE 0.5 PPR RB
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE, 1DST
QBs- Lamar, Wentz
RBs- Javonte,Sanders, Michel,Howard,JJackson,JWilson
WRs- DJM,McLaurin,Higgins,DeVonta Smith,Jeudy, OBJ,Bateman,Treadwell,Crowder
TEs- Fant, Muth,Irv Smith
1.07,1.11,3.09

TEAM 2: 12 team league. 0.1 ppc 0.5 ppr. TE 1 ppr
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs-Watson, Davis, Huntley
RBs- Javonte,Akers, ETN,Gore,Dallas
WRs- McClaurin,DJM,Godwin,Diontae,MarquiseBr, Mooney,Van Jefferson,Collins,Atwell
TEs- Hock, Kmet,Trautman,AlbertO
1.04, 2.04, 4.04

TEAM 3: 12 team league. 0.5 ppr, 0.5/fd
Start 1QB, 2RBs, 2WRs, 2Flex, 1TE,
QBs- Lamar,Stafford
RBs- JT, Fournette, DHarris,Chuba,Collins,Gaskin,DHarris,Penny,Murray, Snell
WRs- Chase, DJM, Allen, Bateman, Julio, ElijahM, Mims, Crowder
TEs- Waller, Morneau,Njoku
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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby BigBawseRoss » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:52 am

idk why everyone hates your team i think its pretty good and i would not be rebuilding.

if you can list their team maybe some good ideas will get thrown around to try to help you. not opposed to moving gurley but i want something a lot more certain in return
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby moishetreats » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:29 am

Before I chime in, it's important, IMO, to know the starting requirements. What are they?
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
TE: --
2024 Cap Spent: $186

IR: --
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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby LMS123 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:31 pm

moishetreats wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:29 am Before I chime in, it's important, IMO, to know the starting requirements. What are they?
We start 11:
1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 1 k, 1 def, 1 SF, 2 flex
Jake Fromm State Farm (12 team PPR SF)
QB: Purdy, ARich (TS), Levis (TS), Bagent, Hall, Rudolph, Fromm
RB: Roschon (TS), Allgeier, Hill, Demercado, McLaughlin, Mitchell, K. Harris, E. Wilson
WR: Addison, London, Jmo, Shaheed, Reed (TS), Pop D, Iosivas, C. Jones, Mooney, T. Palmer, Scott, Tucker, Austin, Gipson, Melton,
TE: Musgrave, Mayer (TS), Trautman, Gray, Jordan
2024: 1.01, 1.07, 2.04, 2.10, 2.11, 3.01, 3.06, 3.07, 3.11
2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby LMS123 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:34 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:52 am idk why everyone hates your team i think its pretty good and i would not be rebuilding.

if you can list their team maybe some good ideas will get thrown around to try to help you. not opposed to moving gurley but i want something a lot more certain in return
Thanks man I didn’t think so either haha. I know I could use another rb and wr but my qbs and te’s are set and in general my team is young. But everyone is going to have their own opinions
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QB: Purdy, ARich (TS), Levis (TS), Bagent, Hall, Rudolph, Fromm
RB: Roschon (TS), Allgeier, Hill, Demercado, McLaughlin, Mitchell, K. Harris, E. Wilson
WR: Addison, London, Jmo, Shaheed, Reed (TS), Pop D, Iosivas, C. Jones, Mooney, T. Palmer, Scott, Tucker, Austin, Gipson, Melton,
TE: Musgrave, Mayer (TS), Trautman, Gray, Jordan
2024: 1.01, 1.07, 2.04, 2.10, 2.11, 3.01, 3.06, 3.07, 3.11
2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby moishetreats » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:44 pm

LMS123 wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:31 pm
moishetreats wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:29 am Before I chime in, it's important, IMO, to know the starting requirements. What are they?
We start 11:
1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 1 k, 1 def, 1 SF, 2 flex
Thanks.

I think that you have lots of great pieces but not many in that elite tier. Gurley. Most will say Kittle (not me, but I'm willing to be wrong on that). Mayfield is possible. But that's really it. And that would lead you to keeping Gurley.

On the other hand, while your lineup has a lot of great pieces, I don't think that your roster is close to a championship. Playoffs? Possibly/probably. But not a real 'ship contender, IMO. That would lead you to trading Gurley.

The trade, however, doesn't really advance you that much: it gives you a lot more great pieces, thus actually improving your team overall, but you would need at least one of the picks and one of the players to hit big to get you out of the great-players-few-studs state that you're in. I like KJ, and I'm fine with Mack, but I don't think that either fits the bill. And none of the picks does, either.

Knowing your league, do you think that you could turn, say, Mack and 2 of the 1sts into a near-stud player? Maybe someone like M. Gordon or a legit WR1? If so, then I'd make the trade. But, only if you are very confident in those assets bringing you someone else back.

Otherwise, I wouldn't be opposed to moving Gurley. But, I would suggest getting back at 2 pieces that just-shy-of-elite-level rather than the five good/great pieces that you are receiving in return.

"Worst" case, you hold on to Gurley.
10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex / best ball

QB: Herbert, Love, Rodgers, G Smith, Stidham, T Taylor, Hall
RB: McCaffrey, Mixon, Pacheco, Montgomery, Z White, Allgeier, Dillon
WR: Hill, St. Brown, Kupp, Allen, Lockett, B Johnson
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Kraft, Okonkwo, Dulcich, Tremble

2024: 2.09, 3.07, 3.08, 3.10, 4.08
2025: 2nd (x2), 4th, 5th (x2)
2026: 1st, 2nd (x2), 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 active plyrs. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex / best ball

QB: Lawrence (contract through 2026), Love ('24), Rodgers ('24), Stidham ('25), Lock ('25)
RB: Bijan Robinson ('25), Pollard ('27), Dillon ('24), Rodriguez ('24), Spiller ('24)
WR: G Wilson ('26), AJ Brown ('26), DJ Montgomery ('25)
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2024 Cap Spent: $186

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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:56 pm

Value-wise, this is pretty fair. However, both Johnson and Mack are uncertain assets, and your roster's weakness is primarily at WR. Is there any way you could find a buyer who's willing to part with an established young WR instead? Maybe something like Gurley for Cooks + Michel + 2nd where you can diversify from an elite RB1 to a low-end WR1 + a low-end RB1?
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Re: Gurley for 3- 1sts Mack and Kerryon???

Postby Goddard » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:12 pm

I don't like the value or the pieces you're getting back. Those 1sts would have to be much earlier than they are in order for the value to be fair, and even then I'd pass since there's no one proven.


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