Selling Mahomes

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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby honcho55 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:04 am

I don’t see you getting the kind of value you’re looking for.

6 point passing td is a bump but it’s not a SF/2QB bump
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
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start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
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Selling Mahomes

Postby FantasyFoosball » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:08 am

AresGodOWar wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:39 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:30 am ask for like dak and a high end skill player and then work from there. i like "downgrading" at qb while adding help elsewhere
Is Mahomes , Shep for Watson , Juju asking for too much ? And what pick value should I add to the Mahomes side to make it even ?
Holy cow. Yes, way too much. I think you are drastically overvaluing Mahomes. You aren't getting a MT or JuJu type player for Mahomes. If it was a SF or 2QB, then yes, but not in a 1QB league, even if it is 6pts per TD. And especially not when you are asking for Watson on top.

You probably need to remove Watson and ask for a QB of lesser value in return, and then tack on a couple 1sts on your side.... And that still might not do it.
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WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby The.Big.Spank » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:12 am

vixen wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:40 pm
AresGodOWar wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:25 pm
FantasyFoosball wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:20 pm Not sure why you would move him, but if you do, you need some WR help. So a QB and a good young WR with upside.
He just hasn't been what he was with Hunt in the lineup , The last 6 quarters he didn't have a TD pass , only 1 300 yard game the last 6. Losing Hunt hurt him team aren't playing the run as much.

How about Mahomes , Watkins for Goff , MThomas ?
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby honcho55 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:24 am

Just looking at some numbers here.

Mahomes - QB1 - 522 points
Watson - QB5 - 381 points

This is roughly the same point total difference as
Julio WR1 - 375
Cooper WR18 - 235

So, yeah. Mahomes was a massive asset this year under those scoring settings. Having mahomes instead of an average QB1 was worth the same as having the overall WR1 in your WR2 slot.

I’m on the side that values QBs more than most here, and the numbers don’t lie, but on the other hand if you loved Russell Wilson this time last year (like I did), you didn’t get that huge point bump, because QB1 last year can be QB9 next year. Basically it’s really hard to project mahomes to continually outscore everyone by a ton.

So, in that league, with what you’re gonna get back? I’d keep mahomes
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
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start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby AresGodOWar » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:34 am

FantasyFoosball wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:08 am
AresGodOWar wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:39 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:30 am ask for like dak and a high end skill player and then work from there. i like "downgrading" at qb while adding help elsewhere
Is Mahomes , Shep for Watson , Juju asking for too much ? And what pick value should I add to the Mahomes side to make it even ?
Holy cow. Yes, way too much. I think you are drastically overvaluing Mahomes. You aren't getting a MT or JuJu type player for Mahomes. If it was a SF or 2QB, then yes, but not in a 1QB league, even if it is 6pts per TD. And especially not when you are asking for Watson on top.

You probably need to remove Watson and ask for a QB of lesser value in return, and then tack on a couple 1sts on your side.... And that still might not do it.
My thinking with the 90 point bonus to Mohames with a 6 point TDs is close to a SF value for him where he is the #1 overall player , In a normal league he is about 20 ADP , So what do you think a 6 point TD league boosts his ADP up to ? . I mean he did score 200 points more than the #1 WR , 150 more than the #1 RB , 100 more than any other QB.

I would like to hear from a Mahomes owners of what WR you would want straight up for him in a normal league ?
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WR-D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, S.Moore, KJ.Osborn, J.Tolbert
TE-M.Andrews, D.Waller

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QB-J.Hurts, R.Wilson
RB-J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, I.Pacheco, A.Mattison, C.Akers, A.Gibson, I.Spiller
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Jeudy, J.Hyatt
TE-D.Schultz, G.Everett, J.Ferguson

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QB-L.Jackson, J.Dobbs, T.Lance
RB-J.Jacobs, S.Barkley, A.Mattison, M.Sanders, Z.White, T.Chandler
WR-C.Lamb, AJ.Brown, J.Jeudy, M.Pittman, J.Tolbert
TE-D.Waller, J.Smith, G.Everett

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QB-J.Allen, G.Smith, J.Dobbs
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, Jav.Williams, C.Hubbard, S.Perine, C.Evans
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:22 am

Just keep Mahomes...

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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby ajf235 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:46 am

honcho55 wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:24 am Just looking at some numbers here.

Mahomes - QB1 - 522 points
Watson - QB5 - 381 points

This is roughly the same point total difference as
Julio WR1 - 375
Cooper WR18 - 235

So, yeah. Mahomes was a massive asset this year under those scoring settings. Having mahomes instead of an average QB1 was worth the same as having the overall WR1 in your WR2 slot.

I’m on the side that values QBs more than most here, and the numbers don’t lie, but on the other hand if you loved Russell Wilson this time last year (like I did), you didn’t get that huge point bump, because QB1 last year can be QB9 next year. Basically it’s really hard to project mahomes to continually outscore everyone by a ton.

So, in that league, with what you’re gonna get back? I’d keep mahomes
Mahomes is likely not scoring another 45+ TDs next year though. If he’s scoring in the 35-40 TD range (way more likely), then he’ll still potentially be the QB1, but the gap between him and the others will be much smaller.

I traded Mahomes for Goff + Chubb literally a day before the Hyde trade and I’m so happy with the outcome. I think your most realistic bet is making a trade like that. You won’t get a top 5 QB and an established RB1 but you could probably get a top 5 QB and a potential high-upside RB1 that hasn’t proven himself yet (Guice is the one I’d be targeting, Kerryon is a good target too, I doubt you’re getting Sony at this point if you’re getting a QB too) or a high-upside WR like Golladay. I highly doubt you’re getting an established stud and a QB for Mahomes but doing a trade like the one I’m suggesting could make you look like a genius in one year’s time.

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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby chalorpas » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:03 am

I don’t get people saying no one will trade juju or mt for mahomes. Y’all are overestimating normal dynasty players. You make zero trades you don’t send, I don’t think the offer is insulting so I would go for it.

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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby honcho55 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:34 pm

ajf235 wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:46 am
Mahomes is likely not scoring another 45+ TDs next year though. If he’s scoring in the 35-40 TD range (way more likely), then he’ll still potentially be the QB1, but the gap between him and the others will be much smaller.
Yep,exactly what I was trying to say when referencing Wilson last year.
chalorpas wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:03 am I don’t get people saying no one will trade juju or mt for mahomes. Y’all are overestimating normal dynasty players. You make zero trades you don’t send, I don’t think the offer is insulting so I would go for it.
Yep. I’m exploring juju+Goff for mahomes and change in my sig league. Partly because keeper requirements but still.
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
TE. T Kelce, Pitts, Albert O, D Parham, J O’Shaunessy

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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby vixen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:47 pm

chalorpas wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:03 am You make zero trades you don’t send, I don’t think the offer is insulting so I would go for it.
great advice..i completely agree...it isn't insulting, so give it a shot...
you keep asking, How about this or what about that....i say, send the offers..everyone values players differently..perhaps you will find the guy/gal that desperately wants Mahomes...

Will Mahomes be QB1 next season: perhaps, but probably not
Was Gurley the RB1 again this year? nope
Was Hopkins WR1 again this year? nope
truth is, it rarely happens....even GOATS like Brady/Manning didn't have back to back 50TD seasons

i love Mahomes but i would sell him if i could get another top 5QB and a top WR or RB...i wouldn't be comfortable starting someone like Dak though

throw out the offers...it is the only way to gauge other owner's interest
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Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:05 am

AresGodOWar wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:39 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:30 am ask for like dak and a high end skill player and then work from there. i like "downgrading" at qb while adding help elsewhere
Is Mahomes , Shep for Watson , Juju asking for too much ? And what pick value should I add to the Mahomes side to make it even ?
I highly doubt that anyone would be willing to pay a top-10 QB + a top-10 WR for Mahomes. Even with 6 points per passing TD, the positional value of QBs is not that much higher as long as it's a 1QB format. VBD comes into play in that the dropoff from Thomas or JuJu to a guy like Woods or Golladay is far greater than the dropoff from Mahomes to a guy like Watson or Wilson.
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby AresGodOWar » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:12 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:05 am
AresGodOWar wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:39 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:30 am ask for like dak and a high end skill player and then work from there. i like "downgrading" at qb while adding help elsewhere
Is Mahomes , Shep for Watson , Juju asking for too much ? And what pick value should I add to the Mahomes side to make it even ?
I highly doubt that anyone would be willing to pay a top-10 QB + a top-10 WR for Mahomes. Even with 6 points per passing TD, the positional value of QBs is not that much higher as long as it's a 1QB format. VBD comes into play in that the dropoff from Thomas or JuJu to a guy like Woods or Golladay is far greater than the dropoff from Mahomes to a guy like Watson or Wilson.
If you think about it Mahomes , Woods outscored Watson , Juju by 7 ppg this year
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Mayfield, K.Murray
RB-A.Ekeler, S.Barkley, T.Pollard, D.Swift, Z.Moss, T.Chandler, J.Kelley
WR-D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, S.Moore, KJ.Osborn, J.Tolbert
TE-M.Andrews, D.Waller

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, R.Wilson
RB-J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, I.Pacheco, A.Mattison, C.Akers, A.Gibson, I.Spiller
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Jeudy, J.Hyatt
TE-D.Schultz, G.Everett, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, J.Dobbs, T.Lance
RB-J.Jacobs, S.Barkley, A.Mattison, M.Sanders, Z.White, T.Chandler
WR-C.Lamb, AJ.Brown, J.Jeudy, M.Pittman, J.Tolbert
TE-D.Waller, J.Smith, G.Everett

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, G.Smith, J.Dobbs
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, Jav.Williams, C.Hubbard, S.Perine, C.Evans
WR-C.Godwin, J.Addison, C.Samuel, D.Parker
TE-D.Schultz, J.Ferguson


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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:16 am

AresGodOWar wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:12 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:05 am
AresGodOWar wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:39 am
Is Mahomes , Shep for Watson , Juju asking for too much ? And what pick value should I add to the Mahomes side to make it even ?
I highly doubt that anyone would be willing to pay a top-10 QB + a top-10 WR for Mahomes. Even with 6 points per passing TD, the positional value of QBs is not that much higher as long as it's a 1QB format. VBD comes into play in that the dropoff from Thomas or JuJu to a guy like Woods or Golladay is far greater than the dropoff from Mahomes to a guy like Watson or Wilson.
If you think about it Mahomes , Woods outscored Watson , Juju by 7 ppg this year
If you think your league values Mahomes that much, then no harm in proposing that trade. All I'm saying is that in the vast majority of 1QB leagues, JuJu > Mahomes straight up, and Woods and Watson likely won't make up the difference. It would be closer if it were Mahomes + Woods for JuJu straight up in 1QB.
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WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby AresGodOWar » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:06 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:16 am
AresGodOWar wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:12 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:05 am
I highly doubt that anyone would be willing to pay a top-10 QB + a top-10 WR for Mahomes. Even with 6 points per passing TD, the positional value of QBs is not that much higher as long as it's a 1QB format. VBD comes into play in that the dropoff from Thomas or JuJu to a guy like Woods or Golladay is far greater than the dropoff from Mahomes to a guy like Watson or Wilson.
If you think about it Mahomes , Woods outscored Watson , Juju by 7 ppg this year
If you think your league values Mahomes that much, then no harm in proposing that trade. All I'm saying is that in the vast majority of 1QB leagues, JuJu > Mahomes straight up, and Woods and Watson likely won't make up the difference. It would be closer if it were Mahomes + Woods for JuJu straight up in 1QB.
Closer ? , I should be able to get Gurley for that in a 6 point QB TD league lol..

idk Would have to ask Mahomes owners if they would give him up for Juju in a 6 point QB TD league , TBH I wouldn't even up.
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Mayfield, K.Murray
RB-A.Ekeler, S.Barkley, T.Pollard, D.Swift, Z.Moss, T.Chandler, J.Kelley
WR-D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, S.Moore, KJ.Osborn, J.Tolbert
TE-M.Andrews, D.Waller

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, R.Wilson
RB-J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, I.Pacheco, A.Mattison, C.Akers, A.Gibson, I.Spiller
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Jeudy, J.Hyatt
TE-D.Schultz, G.Everett, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, J.Dobbs, T.Lance
RB-J.Jacobs, S.Barkley, A.Mattison, M.Sanders, Z.White, T.Chandler
WR-C.Lamb, AJ.Brown, J.Jeudy, M.Pittman, J.Tolbert
TE-D.Waller, J.Smith, G.Everett

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, G.Smith, J.Dobbs
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, Jav.Williams, C.Hubbard, S.Perine, C.Evans
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Re: Selling Mahomes

Postby honcho55 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:23 pm

I would take mahomes and woods for juju in my 14 man 6pt TD league. Wouldn’t go straight up.
main league, half PPR, all TDs 6, -3 for INT
12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
start 2SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2WRT

QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
RB: K Walker, T Ettiene, JK Dobbins, D Gore, J Hasty, D Johnson, L Rountree
WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
TE. T Kelce, Pitts, Albert O, D Parham, J O’Shaunessy

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