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Foles
For team 2 I'm rebuilding and have an offer for AJ Green for Nick Foles and a 2020 2nd? Pull the trigger? Desperate for a QB
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Superflex, Full PPR 1QB 2RB 3WR 3flex 1 Sflx
QB: Dak, Wentz, Daniel Jones, Nick Mullens
RB: Royce Freeman, Penny, Carson, M. Brown, Foreman,
WR: Evans, Pettis, Metcalf, Harry, Mclaurin, Harmon, D.J. Chark, Agholor, Quinn, Gabriel, MVS, Justin Watson, Kirkwood, Cobb
TE: Fant, RSJ, Dan Arnold, Gerald Everett
Picks 2020: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4
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Superflex, PPR, 12 team, 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1 flex 1 Sflx
QB: Brady, Kyler Murray, Flacco
RB: CMC, Fournette, Guice, AP, Chris Warren, Bruce Anderson,
WR: Evans, Adams, AJ Green, Miller, Allison, DeMarcus Robinson, Patrick, Kirkwood, Hurd
TE: OJ Howard, Dissly, Waller
2020 picks: 2, 3, 4
QB: Dak, Wentz, Daniel Jones, Nick Mullens
RB: Royce Freeman, Penny, Carson, M. Brown, Foreman,
WR: Evans, Pettis, Metcalf, Harry, Mclaurin, Harmon, D.J. Chark, Agholor, Quinn, Gabriel, MVS, Justin Watson, Kirkwood, Cobb
TE: Fant, RSJ, Dan Arnold, Gerald Everett
Picks 2020: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4
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Superflex, PPR, 12 team, 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1 flex 1 Sflx
QB: Brady, Kyler Murray, Flacco
RB: CMC, Fournette, Guice, AP, Chris Warren, Bruce Anderson,
WR: Evans, Adams, AJ Green, Miller, Allison, DeMarcus Robinson, Patrick, Kirkwood, Hurd
TE: OJ Howard, Dissly, Waller
2020 picks: 2, 3, 4
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Re: Foles
That seems like a massive sell low on Green to me
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Re: Foles
Agree with Gator Sens... too low for Green
Team 1 Fleaflicker 12 Team Half PPR Start 9 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1TE, 1Flex RB, WR,TE 1Def, 1K
QB- A Rich , Stafford, Mac Jones, Minshew
RB- Taylor, Etienne, Ekeler, K Walker, Fournette, k miller, foreman, TDP
WR- ARSB, Adams, Evans, Marquise brown, Burks Gallup, Alec Pierce, Boutte
TE Kittle, Waller, Pitts, t kraft
K- nick folk , moody, Maher
Def- ravens, Giants
24 1st, 2 24 2nds, 3 24 3rds
All 25 picks
26 2nd, 26 3rd and 26 4th
Team 2 Sleeper-Superflex
QB a rich, Kyler, Cousins, Brissett
RB Bijan, Pacheco, jerrick McKinnon, Melvin Gordon, Hubbard, Jaylen Warren
Wr jsn, z flowers, Mike Evans, a cooper, aj brown, skyy moore, Pickens, Christian Watson, John metchie
TE Pitts, Goedert
2020 Champion
QB- A Rich , Stafford, Mac Jones, Minshew
RB- Taylor, Etienne, Ekeler, K Walker, Fournette, k miller, foreman, TDP
WR- ARSB, Adams, Evans, Marquise brown, Burks Gallup, Alec Pierce, Boutte
TE Kittle, Waller, Pitts, t kraft
K- nick folk , moody, Maher
Def- ravens, Giants
24 1st, 2 24 2nds, 3 24 3rds
All 25 picks
26 2nd, 26 3rd and 26 4th
Team 2 Sleeper-Superflex
QB a rich, Kyler, Cousins, Brissett
RB Bijan, Pacheco, jerrick McKinnon, Melvin Gordon, Hubbard, Jaylen Warren
Wr jsn, z flowers, Mike Evans, a cooper, aj brown, skyy moore, Pickens, Christian Watson, John metchie
TE Pitts, Goedert
2020 Champion
Re: Foles
Yea, this is way short.
.5PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, Kirk, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Ford, Moss, Dobbins, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Higbee
PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington
PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF .5TEP
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Walker, J Cook, Miller, Zamir, Rodriguez, Carter, Penny
St. Brown, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Doubs, Metchie, Scott, Claypool
Kincaid, Dulcich, Fant, Turner, Hurst
LJax, Burrow, Carr, Huntley, Heinicke, Cunningham
Adams, Kupp, Deebo, M Brown, Kirk, Wiliams, C Samuel, Palmer, E. Moore, Hodgins, Hutchinson
CMC, Barkley, Mostert, Ford, Moss, Dobbins, Dillon, Kelley, Tucker
Andrews, Higbee
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Mahomes, Purdy, Dalton, Henicke, Trask, Zappe
Henry, Pacheco, Robinson, Wilson, Ford, Chandler, Deuce
Hill, Kupp, Shaheed, Toney, Lazard, Metchie, Mingo, Slayton, Shenault, Atwell, Hutchinson
Pitts, Waller, Washington
PPR Best Ball Dynasty SF .5TEP
Stroud, Cousins, Willis, Mariota, Cunningham
Walker, J Cook, Miller, Zamir, Rodriguez, Carter, Penny
St. Brown, Aiyuk, DJ Moore, London, Doubs, Metchie, Scott, Claypool
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Re: Foles
Lol. No.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB
QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins
2024: 3rd
Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods
2024: 1, 2, 3, 4
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB
QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins
2024: 3rd
Team Two:
DLF Advice Forum League
14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods
2024: 1, 2, 3, 4
Re: Foles
The RPO system they run in Philly is perfect for his talents. Change some of the personnel and scheme and I don't think Foles has as much success, especially right away. He's decent, but not a game changer and may be getting a new contract based on his Super Bowl run last year. He kind of came apart after NO made adjustments in the second half last week. If I could buy low on him with the intent of reselling when he got a starting job, I'd be all over that. AJ Green is not buying low.
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12-team, PPR 25 roster 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1(RB/WR/TE), 1 D/ST
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson
RB J. Taylor, D. Henry, M. Sanders, B. Hall, T. Sermon, C. Patterson, P. Strong, K. Ingram, TDP, D. Achane, K. Miller, R. Johnson
WR AJ Brown, C. Ridley, J. Chase, C. Lamb, JSN, G. Pickens, K. Osborn, J. Meyers, A. Pierce, T. Scott
TE T. Kelce, D. Goedert, G. Dulcich, J. Woods
D/ST MIN, PIT, DEN
Panthers
12-team SF, .5 PPR 35 roster: 1QB, 1SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 2DB, 2LB, 2DL, 1FLEX
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson, J. Winston, S. Howell
RB J. Mixon, E. Elliott, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, K. Harris, J. Ford
WR D. Hopkins, C. Godwin, T. Higgins, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Njigba, J. Mingo
TE T. Kelce, K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, D. Goedert, J. Ferguson
DB R. Grant, J. Simmons
DL D. Hunter, A. Highsmith, S. Hubbard
LB C. Mosley, A. Singleton, P. Queen, D. Deablo
12-team, PPR 25 roster 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1(RB/WR/TE), 1 D/ST
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson
RB J. Taylor, D. Henry, M. Sanders, B. Hall, T. Sermon, C. Patterson, P. Strong, K. Ingram, TDP, D. Achane, K. Miller, R. Johnson
WR AJ Brown, C. Ridley, J. Chase, C. Lamb, JSN, G. Pickens, K. Osborn, J. Meyers, A. Pierce, T. Scott
TE T. Kelce, D. Goedert, G. Dulcich, J. Woods
D/ST MIN, PIT, DEN
Panthers
12-team SF, .5 PPR 35 roster: 1QB, 1SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 2DB, 2LB, 2DL, 1FLEX
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson, J. Winston, S. Howell
RB J. Mixon, E. Elliott, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, K. Harris, J. Ford
WR D. Hopkins, C. Godwin, T. Higgins, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Njigba, J. Mingo
TE T. Kelce, K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, D. Goedert, J. Ferguson
DB R. Grant, J. Simmons
DL D. Hunter, A. Highsmith, S. Hubbard
LB C. Mosley, A. Singleton, P. Queen, D. Deablo
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Re: Foles
I think you are under-selling Green too. The idea that buying Foles runs contrary to rebuilding strikes me as odd though. He is 30. In modern QB terms that is a baby. Were he to have success, you might get 8 years out of him. So age can't be the issue. He had a record breaking year under Chip Kelly before struggling as that whole team fell apart. He was lights out for the Eagles in the post-season last year and played well enough this year for idiots to speculate about Wentz. In between times, he had a cup of coffee in Kansas City and sucked under well known QB whisperer Jeff Fisher.
He has a quick release. Is accurate. Doubting his big game temperament would be foolish. With a weak crop of rookies coming out, there's every chance a team decides to invest in him. The Eagles are/were notably well-coached, but putting 38 points on the Vikings and 41 points on the Patriots with Zach Ertz and otherwise inferior skill position talent isn't to be sniffed at. Nor is beating the Rams, the Texans and the Bears this year before pushing the Saints very close.
I think he's a SuperFlex steal personally.
He has a quick release. Is accurate. Doubting his big game temperament would be foolish. With a weak crop of rookies coming out, there's every chance a team decides to invest in him. The Eagles are/were notably well-coached, but putting 38 points on the Vikings and 41 points on the Patriots with Zach Ertz and otherwise inferior skill position talent isn't to be sniffed at. Nor is beating the Rams, the Texans and the Bears this year before pushing the Saints very close.
I think he's a SuperFlex steal personally.
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Re: Foles
Yeah.... terrible overreaction
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
Re: Foles
Could you get a 1st instead of the 2nd? Might make it closer for me. AJG is very valuable to a competitor for maybe 1-2 more years.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Puka, Flowers, Downs,
TE | Hockenson, Likely, Otton
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Puka, Flowers, Downs,
TE | Hockenson, Likely, Otton
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Re: Foles
Green >>> Foles, even in superflex.
I will be shocked if Foles leaves PHI in the offseason and finishes the 2019 season as a top-12 fantasy QB.
I will be shocked if Foles leaves PHI in the offseason and finishes the 2019 season as a top-12 fantasy QB.
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QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
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Re: Foles
Wasn't Foles talking about giving up football to become a pastor? I can't see him having success anywhere else.
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QB - S.Darnold, D.Lock
RB - J. Taylor, CEH, K. Hunt, A.McFarland, R.Armstead, D.Evans, D. Dallas, L.Bowden
WR - C. Lamb, J.Jeudy, J. Jefferson, H. Ruggs, D.Mims, L.Shenault, P.Campbell, Z.Pascal, A. Lazard
TE - T.Hockenson, B.Jarwin, D.Knox, J.Smith
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12team, PPR, SF
QB-RBx2-WRx2-SF-FLX
QB - Baker, Prescott, Stidham
RB - D.Freeman,A.Jones, Jam.Williams, R.JIII, K.Balage, G.Edwards
WR -Evans, Smith-Schuster, Golladay, C. Godwin, T.Higgins, A. Lazard
TE - D. Waller, I.Thomas
QB - S.Darnold, D.Lock
RB - J. Taylor, CEH, K. Hunt, A.McFarland, R.Armstead, D.Evans, D. Dallas, L.Bowden
WR - C. Lamb, J.Jeudy, J. Jefferson, H. Ruggs, D.Mims, L.Shenault, P.Campbell, Z.Pascal, A. Lazard
TE - T.Hockenson, B.Jarwin, D.Knox, J.Smith
2x 2021 1st
12team, PPR, SF
QB-RBx2-WRx2-SF-FLX
QB - Baker, Prescott, Stidham
RB - D.Freeman,A.Jones, Jam.Williams, R.JIII, K.Balage, G.Edwards
WR -Evans, Smith-Schuster, Golladay, C. Godwin, T.Higgins, A. Lazard
TE - D. Waller, I.Thomas
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Re: Foles
I just don't get this idea that Foles won't succeed elsewhere. There's nothing scheme specific to the way he plays beyond the fact that he is a pocket passer. He hasn't played with particularly high level skill position talent beyond Ertz. He hasn't had a bunch of reps until just before he's been thrown out there to play big games against good teams over the last two years. Philly weren't particularly ingenious in scheming guys wide open. They weren't giving him schematic freebies that he won't get elsewhere. They didn't have anything approaching a burner the last two years. What is it that people think explains Foles' success in Philly to make it largely contextual rather than a reflection of being very good at running through progressions, decisive with his throws and showing consistent accuracy?
I'm buying- just not at the price suggested.
I'm buying- just not at the price suggested.
Re: Foles
By all the reports I see, there are at least four teams looking at Foles and close to zero chance Philly franchises him at near $25mil to let him sit the bench behind Wentz. He will sign somewhere else, likely as a Jaquar.
People are quick to dismiss him, but he's only 30 and has shown he can be an effective QB in the league. He has always been a decent pocket passer, but struggles with mobility. His career record is 26-18, not including his stellar playoff record. 12 of those losses came his rookie year and the dreadful year in STL.
Is he a top 15QB? No. But in SF, where the team that just won our league started Keenum...i think he obviously has some value, just not enough to get AJG alone.
People are quick to dismiss him, but he's only 30 and has shown he can be an effective QB in the league. He has always been a decent pocket passer, but struggles with mobility. His career record is 26-18, not including his stellar playoff record. 12 of those losses came his rookie year and the dreadful year in STL.
Is he a top 15QB? No. But in SF, where the team that just won our league started Keenum...i think he obviously has some value, just not enough to get AJG alone.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Puka, Flowers, Downs,
TE | Hockenson, Likely, Otton
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Puka, Flowers, Downs,
TE | Hockenson, Likely, Otton
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