Mahomes value - 1 QB league

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby Duke Nuk’em » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:41 am

Jigga94 wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:53 am With OP roster, I'm probably just holding him. No way i would want Dak starting each week and the rest of your roster is fine. Why sell?
As the OP, I'm probably leaning this way. This being a salary cap league ($200 cap), Mahomes value will rise from $5 to $20. And my elite players like Gordon, Hopkins and Allen are reaching their cap limits. There are several cuts to be made and the original point of the post was to guage what tier of player I should target if I consider trading him.

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Mahomes = $20
Dak = $5
Hopkins = $52
Allen = $40
Diggs = $19
MVS = $1
Tre'Quan Smith = $1
Gordon = $45
Michel = $10
Kerryon Johnson = $10
Ito Smith = $1
Derrick Henry = $6
Guice = $6
Hunt = $20
Gronk = $10
Goedert = $1

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby frisco86 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm

in our league Mahomes has 632 points. Next is Ryan at 507(so Mahomes is 25% higher) and 10th highest is more than 200 points behind. Clearly a difference maker this yr. Can he continue? Well JuJu is not a difference maker yet. Not Elite. IS a high tier. But I keep Mahomes. I have JuJu and if I could get Mahomes for that, I would do it. I know it won't happen.

For reference Gurley was only 51 points ahead of Barkley (#2), but once past Zeke and CMC, there is a big drop off. But Mahomes has that difference against everyone, not just 8 teams, assuming 12 team and those players are not on same team. Wr is even tighter.

So if I was trading Mahomes I need one of those 4 RB's minimum. Not giving up HUGE difference in points. So if you could sell him now, it may be SELL AT THE HIGH.
QB: Mayfield, Bridgewater, Fitzpatrick
RB:David Johnson, Mixon, Chubb, James Robinson, Mattison, K Vaughn
WR: AJG, K Allen, D Adams, JuJu, C Godwin, D Slayton, S Miller
TE: Engram, Kittle
K: Succup
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No PPR. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB,WR,TE) 1K 1 1 Def
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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby M-Dub » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:25 pm

frisco86 wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm in our league Mahomes has 632 points.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Jesus. What kind of cockamamie scoring system are you using in this league??
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby XclickX » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:46 am

M-Dub wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:25 pm
frisco86 wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm in our league Mahomes has 632 points.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Jesus. What kind of cockamamie scoring system are you using in this league??
Right, he has 461 in 6 point for td pass leagues.

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby M-Dub » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:33 am

XclickX wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:46 am
M-Dub wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:25 pm
frisco86 wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm in our league Mahomes has 632 points.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Jesus. What kind of cockamamie scoring system are you using in this league??
Right, he has 461 in 6 point for td pass leagues.
I have him in a 3-keeper redraft league with 6-point TDs, plus bonuses for TD passes of 40+ and 50+ yards and for games of 300+ and 400+ passing yards, and even under those settings, he’s “only” at 501 points.
Both are 12-team 1QB PPR dynasties

🦬PRIME🦬
QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
Taxi: Willis, Z. White, M. Mims, T. Palmer

Hull Awaits
$450 cap, 60 contract years

QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby BradysBunch » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:48 am

I would hold. He is way too big of a difference maker vs other qbs. I am not trading him away for a wr outside the top 5ish ( I play non ppr ) because you can play match ups with other WRs. RBs are different, I wouldnt take Lindsay, but I would be willing to trade if I liked it...but this all depends on your scoring..
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Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby Vectorgod » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:21 am

I get the whole argument about QB value in 1QB leagues, but in Mahomes' case I think longevity has to be considered as well. Not only is he significantly outperforming nearly every other QB in the league, he is very young and represents a set-it-and-forget-it option at QB for years to come. Yes, I also think he will come back down to earth next season, but even with a significant increase in INTs he is still going to be an elite QB in that offense with so many weapons. I only own him in one league and would have to be completely blown away to even consider moving him. JuJu wouldn't do it for me, even if absolute value might say otherwise.

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby Multiple Scorgasms » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:54 am

As far as this "inevitable regression" ... TDs are quite volatile and he's obviously not going to challenge the all-time record every year, but I'll put my money that he's in the mix near the top of the league more often than not. Moreover, I definitely don't see his yardage production decreasing any time soon. I'd bet dollars to donuts he's going to give you 300/game, at least until KC gets something resembling a defense on the field, and even then it's not like he's gonna drop off too much. KC is going to be the Colts from the mid 00s. They're just going to add weapons every year and put it all on the QB.

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby Titans95 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:03 am

Multiple Scorgasms wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:54 am As far as this "inevitable regression" ... TDs are quite volatile and he's obviously not going to challenge the all-time record every year, but I'll put my money that he's in the mix near the top of the league more often than not. Moreover, I definitely don't see his yardage production decreasing any time soon. I'd bet dollars to donuts he's going to give you 300/game, at least until KC gets something resembling a defense on the field, and even then it's not like he's gonna drop off too much. KC is going to be the Colts from the mid 00s. They're just going to add weapons every year and put it all on the QB.
I agree with this, I also think their offensive scheme is more fullproof than the saints and Rams. I'd love to see how the chiefs hold up against the Bears defense in the playoffs.

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby ajf235 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:17 am

I traded Mahomes ($10) for Goff ($2) and Chubb ($8) a day before the Carlos Hyde trade in a one-QB half PPR 4-keeper league with 10% salary increases for first two years and $5 increases from year 3 on. What do you guys think of that trade?

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby mrmagloo » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:02 pm

In my league, 100 points better than next best player. Not saying I won't trade him, but at 22, under Reid, he is set and forget except one week a year, 30 points. I will hold for now, see what regression happens next year, and then consider trading. Mahomes and Chubb got me in the finals this year. I will tolerate the regression to try and establish a baseline for Mahomes.
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QB- Mahomes, Winston
RB- Drake, Carson, Thompson, Chubb, R Jones, Darrel Williams, Penny, Samuels
WR- Julio, Mike Williams, JUJU, Golladay, DJ Moore, McLaurin, D Johnson
TE- OJ, Hooper
IR- Butler, Guice
TS- D Henderson, J Hill
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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby Draft Master » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:09 pm

Mjvb5 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:53 pm Probably like a Landry,Guice, Golladay type. I'd say something around 2 firsts
Landry, Guice and Golladay isn't worth 2 first and I'm a big time Landry and Golladay guy!!

Landry coming off his last season in MIA was around the 1.05 last offseason. Doubt he did anything this year to improve his stock 2x this season!

Guice is behind SB, I'm gonna BOLD and say behind Lindsay and KJ, so i doubt he is worth or going for 2 first!

Golladay have a good shot to get to 2 first out of these 3 players but NO! he isn't there yet!

Mahomes even in a 1 QB league however is worth 2 random or late first!

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:25 pm

Draft Master wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:09 pm
Mjvb5 wrote: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:53 pm Probably like a Landry,Guice, Golladay type. I'd say something around 2 firsts
Landry, Guice and Golladay isn't worth 2 first and I'm a big time Landry and Golladay guy!!

Landry coming off his last season in MIA was around the 1.05 last offseason. Doubt he did anything this year to improve his stock 2x this season!

Guice is behind SB, I'm gonna BOLD and say behind Lindsay and KJ, so i doubt he is worth or going for 2 first!

Golladay have a good shot to get to 2 first out of these 3 players but NO! he isn't there yet!

Mahomes even in a 1 QB league however is worth 2 random or late first!
In terms of this year's draft though... 1.05 last year might be a better pick than 1.01 this year. A lot of people have argued they'd take Guice with the 1.01 this year . Also, Landry and Golladay are both good WR that you could only hope a early round Rookie WR would turn into.

I wouldn't call those players worth less than 2 random late 1sts but I get that may have been hyperbolic. I wouldn't take any of those guys for Mahomes either. Honestly 3 or 4 late 1sts would he pointless in trading Mahomes for, especially with this year's class

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby sloth8u » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Sell and get the best you can. He isnt going to toss 15-20 tds more than the others every year. I'll go out on a limb and say this will prove to be the best statistical yr of his career.

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Re: Mahomes value - 1 QB league

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:42 am

sloth8u wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:06 pm Sell and get the best you can. He isnt going to toss 15-20 tds more than the others every year. I'll go out on a limb and say this will prove to be the best statistical yr of his career.
How many years do you think he will play?


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