i would choose the side with the first, but i don't think it is that awful...i actually like Winston and agree that if he stays healthy and out of trouble, he will be a good/great starting QB...i don't know what other QB the owner getting Winston has, but his QB is aging (Brees, Brady, Ryan, Rivers) then i like it a little more...
i have found that buying and selling QBs in a 1QB league is difficult...the owners usually want more than the buyer is willing to pay...
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team 1 -start QB RB 2WR TE 2RB/WR 1WR/TE
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
Kelce, Andrews, Jacob Harris
qbs=5pt tds wr/te=1 ppr rbs=.5ppr all get .25ppc
Watson, Brady, Mills
Ekeler, Hunt, Carson/Penny, DForeman, Mitchell, CPat, Kyren, Ford, KHarris
Cooper, sutton, Chase, Shepard, Atwell, Schwartz, Wan'Dale, Austin III
Gesicki, Engram, Hooper, Woods
team 2 -start QB 2RB 3WR TE 2Flex K D
Cousins, Stafford
DH JT, Ekeler, Kylin Hill, Herbert, KHarris, Chandler
Hopkins, Diggs, Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Callaway, DPJ, Robby Anderson, Schwartz, Pierce, Wan'Dale, Doubs
Kelce, Andrews, Jacob Harris
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This is one where we will only know the answer to next season. If the 1st bust, the guy already has Ertz and Gronk and Winston throws 35tds. Do we have the same thoughts?
12 Team 1QB IDP Full PPR Start 8
QB- Kenny Pickett, Jake Haener, Clayton Tune
RB- Jerrick McKinnon, Elijah Mitchell, Gus Edwards, Kenneth Gainwell, TDP, Jordan Mason
WR- Rondale Moore, Drake London, Jordan Addison, Terrence Marshall , Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Mecole Hardman, Rashid Shaheed, David Bell
TE- Michael Mayer, Likely, Chig, Cade Otten
LB- Jewell, Deablo, Troy Anderson
DE- Phillips, Highsmith
DB- Brisker, Hufanga, Cine
Taxi Squad: Chase Brown, A.T. Perry, Keaton Mitchell, Khalan Laborn, Lew Nichols lll
QB- Kenny Pickett, Jake Haener, Clayton Tune
RB- Jerrick McKinnon, Elijah Mitchell, Gus Edwards, Kenneth Gainwell, TDP, Jordan Mason
WR- Rondale Moore, Drake London, Jordan Addison, Terrence Marshall , Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Mecole Hardman, Rashid Shaheed, David Bell
TE- Michael Mayer, Likely, Chig, Cade Otten
LB- Jewell, Deablo, Troy Anderson
DE- Phillips, Highsmith
DB- Brisker, Hufanga, Cine
Taxi Squad: Chase Brown, A.T. Perry, Keaton Mitchell, Khalan Laborn, Lew Nichols lll
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You could say that about literally any trade ever, though. What do we think if the first becomes a stud, Burton goes for 75/900/8 and Winston gets suspended again?
Regardless...this is a massive overpay for Winston's current value. It should be possible to get a much better QB for that price or a comparable QB for less.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5
Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5
Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1
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My point exactly. I wouldnt make this trade as I do think its too much to give but to label any trade terrible, awful or horrible is a little premature without more information.hoos89 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:26 pmYou could say that about literally any trade ever, though. What do we think if the first becomes a stud, Burton goes for 75/900/8 and Winston gets suspended again?
Regardless...this is a massive overpay for Winston's current value. It should be possible to get a much better QB for that price or a comparable QB for less.
12 Team 1QB IDP Full PPR Start 8
QB- Kenny Pickett, Jake Haener, Clayton Tune
RB- Jerrick McKinnon, Elijah Mitchell, Gus Edwards, Kenneth Gainwell, TDP, Jordan Mason
WR- Rondale Moore, Drake London, Jordan Addison, Terrence Marshall , Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Mecole Hardman, Rashid Shaheed, David Bell
TE- Michael Mayer, Likely, Chig, Cade Otten
LB- Jewell, Deablo, Troy Anderson
DE- Phillips, Highsmith
DB- Brisker, Hufanga, Cine
Taxi Squad: Chase Brown, A.T. Perry, Keaton Mitchell, Khalan Laborn, Lew Nichols lll
QB- Kenny Pickett, Jake Haener, Clayton Tune
RB- Jerrick McKinnon, Elijah Mitchell, Gus Edwards, Kenneth Gainwell, TDP, Jordan Mason
WR- Rondale Moore, Drake London, Jordan Addison, Terrence Marshall , Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Mecole Hardman, Rashid Shaheed, David Bell
TE- Michael Mayer, Likely, Chig, Cade Otten
LB- Jewell, Deablo, Troy Anderson
DE- Phillips, Highsmith
DB- Brisker, Hufanga, Cine
Taxi Squad: Chase Brown, A.T. Perry, Keaton Mitchell, Khalan Laborn, Lew Nichols lll
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His other qb is Watson which is even more why I think it was awful
12 Teams, 1 PPR
2nd year of League
QB: Brees, Wilson, Ryan
RB: Mixon, K. Johnson, Chubb, Collins, Miller, Breida, R Freeman, Penny, Ballage
WR: Evans, Kupp, Ridley, Lockett, Moore, Miller, Sutton, Callaway, Gallup
TE: Engram, McDonald
K: Maher
D/ST: Titans
Team 2: 12 Team PPR Year 1
QB: tannehill, Allen, osweiler
RB: Zeke, Howard, Coleman, Smallwood, Walton, Adams, Ballage, Gallman, Abdullah
WR: OBJ, AJG, Adams, Arob, Godwin, Coutee, Pettis
TE: Kittle, Uzomah, Henry
K: Fairbain
D: Titans
2nd year of League
QB: Brees, Wilson, Ryan
RB: Mixon, K. Johnson, Chubb, Collins, Miller, Breida, R Freeman, Penny, Ballage
WR: Evans, Kupp, Ridley, Lockett, Moore, Miller, Sutton, Callaway, Gallup
TE: Engram, McDonald
K: Maher
D/ST: Titans
Team 2: 12 Team PPR Year 1
QB: tannehill, Allen, osweiler
RB: Zeke, Howard, Coleman, Smallwood, Walton, Adams, Ballage, Gallman, Abdullah
WR: OBJ, AJG, Adams, Arob, Godwin, Coutee, Pettis
TE: Kittle, Uzomah, Henry
K: Fairbain
D: Titans
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No...it's a bad trade because it should be able to be done for less. Regardless of what happens in the next 5 years, giving up 1st + Burton for Winston is going to be worse than giving up just the 1st. Or giving up a 2nd (which is closer to his true value). We can't know how any particular trade is going to look 3+ years from now, but giving up THIS much value in a deal is not going to work out for you more often than not. There aren't many QBs who are worth 1st + Burton. You pretty much have to assume the 1st is a bust AND Winston becomes a stud QB for this to possibly make sense.Cherokee wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:58 pmMy point exactly. I wouldnt make this trade as I do think its too much to give but to label any trade terrible, awful or horrible is a little premature without more information.hoos89 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:26 pmYou could say that about literally any trade ever, though. What do we think if the first becomes a stud, Burton goes for 75/900/8 and Winston gets suspended again?
Regardless...this is a massive overpay for Winston's current value. It should be possible to get a much better QB for that price or a comparable QB for less.
Someone in my old TE premium league traded Aaron Hernandez for Jacquizz Rodgers like 2 months before Hernandez became a suspect in a murder...but it was still a dumb trade. Jacquizz was considered to be worth about a late first/early 2nd at the time, and although he never amounted to much he did produce more than nothing so you could argue that it was a good trade for the guy getting Jacquizz. However, Hernandez in a TE premium league was worth multiple firsts at the time. It was a dumb trade even in hindsight because he could've gotten an established stud in exchange.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5
Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5
Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1