Rate this awful trade

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Who wins

Get Winston
2
8%
Get burton and first
23
92%
 
Total votes: 25

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Rate this awful trade

Postby Benflicky » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:25 pm

Is it just me or is this a terrible trade?

Give: Winston
Get: burton and 2019 first

Some guy accepted that. He only has one qb
12 Teams, 1 PPR
2nd year of League
QB: Brees, Wilson, Ryan
RB: Mixon, K. Johnson, Chubb, Collins, Miller, Breida, R Freeman, Penny, Ballage
WR: Evans, Kupp, Ridley, Lockett, Moore, Miller, Sutton, Callaway, Gallup
TE: Engram, McDonald
K: Maher
D/ST: Titans

Team 2: 12 Team PPR Year 1
QB: tannehill, Allen, osweiler
RB: Zeke, Howard, Coleman, Smallwood, Walton, Adams, Ballage, Gallman, Abdullah
WR: OBJ, AJG, Adams, Arob, Godwin, Coutee, Pettis
TE: Kittle, Uzomah, Henry
K: Fairbain
D: Titans

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby BradysBunch » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:30 pm

one qb league, I will take burton and the first. This is on the surface since I dont know his roster.
9(yes 9) team / 28 man rosters
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby hoos89 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:30 pm

Is this a 2 qb league? That's a lot to pay for Winston otherwise.
BradysBunch wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:30 pm one qb league, I will take burton and the first. This is on the surface since I dont know his roster.
Doesn't even really matter if it's 1 QB. Burton OR the first is worth more than Winston.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby Benflicky » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:32 pm

1qb
12 Teams, 1 PPR
2nd year of League
QB: Brees, Wilson, Ryan
RB: Mixon, K. Johnson, Chubb, Collins, Miller, Breida, R Freeman, Penny, Ballage
WR: Evans, Kupp, Ridley, Lockett, Moore, Miller, Sutton, Callaway, Gallup
TE: Engram, McDonald
K: Maher
D/ST: Titans

Team 2: 12 Team PPR Year 1
QB: tannehill, Allen, osweiler
RB: Zeke, Howard, Coleman, Smallwood, Walton, Adams, Ballage, Gallman, Abdullah
WR: OBJ, AJG, Adams, Arob, Godwin, Coutee, Pettis
TE: Kittle, Uzomah, Henry
K: Fairbain
D: Titans

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby hoos89 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:33 pm

Benflicky wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:32 pm1qb
Side getting Winston got fleeced.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby JDogil12 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:59 pm

2 qb league guy getting Winston wins imo
Since it's 1 qb Burton wins by a good margin

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:10 pm

sometimes people dont understand what qbs are worth (or arent worth)
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby Goddard » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:44 pm

A good QB is easily worth a late 1st and sometimes more. Winston has shown he can be pretty good, but has other issues that have devalued his value. I think if he stays healthy, out of trouble, and continues to produce, the Winston owner might actually come out on top. As a whole, may have been an overpay, but I don't think it's as ridiculous as some are making it. Burton hasn't been as good as I expected/hoped he would have been.

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby Mjvb5 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:50 pm

Pilling on the side with the first, Winston's what a fringe QB1

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby hoos89 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:04 pm

Goddard wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:44 pm A good QB is easily worth a late 1st and sometimes more. Winston has shown he can be pretty good, but has other issues that have devalued his value. I think if he stays healthy, out of trouble, and continues to produce, the Winston owner might actually come out on top. As a whole, may have been an overpay, but I don't think it's as ridiculous as some are making it. Burton hasn't been as good as I expected/hoped he would have been.
A late first is already a bit of an overpay for Winston in 1QB, but you're correct that it could end up being a fine trade if Winston pans out. However...Burton still has value even if he has been disappointing to start the year, and the addition of Burton takes this deal out of the realm of reasonable value for a fringe QB1 with question marks. One could argue that Burton alone is worth more than Winston.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby Goddard » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:11 pm

hoos89 wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:04 pm
Goddard wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:44 pm A good QB is easily worth a late 1st and sometimes more. Winston has shown he can be pretty good, but has other issues that have devalued his value. I think if he stays healthy, out of trouble, and continues to produce, the Winston owner might actually come out on top. As a whole, may have been an overpay, but I don't think it's as ridiculous as some are making it. Burton hasn't been as good as I expected/hoped he would have been.
A late first is already a bit of an overpay for Winston in 1QB, but you're correct that it could end up being a fine trade if Winston pans out. However...Burton still has value even if he has been disappointing to start the year, and the addition of Burton takes this deal out of the realm of reasonable value for a fringe QB1 with question marks. One could argue that Burton alone is worth more than Winston.
I'm not completely disagreeing with what you said, but I'd say Winston's production has been better than a fringe QB1. I agree it's an overpay and I'd probably move Winston for that in a 1QB league if I had a good option behind him, but I just don't think it's as crazy as some are making it out to be.

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby hoos89 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:44 pm

He was QB18 in PPG the last 2 seasons and QB 20 his rookie year....he's never even finished a season as a high QB2. If anything, fringe QB1 is generous. Just because he had a 30 point game last week doesn't make him a solid QB1. I'd move Winston for Burton + 1st in 1QB even if I didn't have a good option behind him.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby Goddard » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:11 pm

hoos89 wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:44 pm He was QB18 in PPG the last 2 seasons and QB 20 his rookie year....he's never even finished a season as a high QB2. If anything, fringe QB1 is generous. Just because he had a 30 point game last week doesn't make him a solid QB1. I'd move Winston for Burton + 1st in 1QB even if I didn't have a good option behind him.
Interesting. For some reason I thought he had been better than that. If that's the case, then I take back some of what I said lol.

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby Mjvb5 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:16 pm

Goddard wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:11 pm
hoos89 wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:44 pm He was QB18 in PPG the last 2 seasons and QB 20 his rookie year....he's never even finished a season as a high QB2. If anything, fringe QB1 is generous. Just because he had a 30 point game last week doesn't make him a solid QB1. I'd move Winston for Burton + 1st in 1QB even if I didn't have a good option behind him.
Interesting. For some reason I thought he had been better than that. If that's the case, then I take back some of what I said lol.
I was with you, remember him hovering right around 8-12, just checked my league and yeah 13 and 17 in ppg past two years

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Re: Rate this awful trade

Postby Goddard » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:19 pm

Mjvb5 wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:16 pm
Goddard wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:11 pm
hoos89 wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:44 pm He was QB18 in PPG the last 2 seasons and QB 20 his rookie year....he's never even finished a season as a high QB2. If anything, fringe QB1 is generous. Just because he had a 30 point game last week doesn't make him a solid QB1. I'd move Winston for Burton + 1st in 1QB even if I didn't have a good option behind him.
Interesting. For some reason I thought he had been better than that. If that's the case, then I take back some of what I said lol.
I was with you, remember him hovering right around 8-12, just checked my league and yeah 13 and 17 in ppg past two years
The one thing I will say about Winston. He's only 24 years old. Younger than Wentz and only a year older than Mahomes and Watson. He's still got lots of room to grow and could still turn into a good QB1.


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