POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

This is the place for team advice - should I make this trade, should I draft that player, etc.

Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd (in a rebuild)

Boyd
8
27%
Anthony Miller/2nd
22
73%
 
Total votes: 30

Dusticlez1
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 348
Joined: Tue May 30, 2017 10:26 am

POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby Dusticlez1 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:28 pm

12 team Non-PPR SuperFlex league.

If you were rebuilding, which side would you rather have for the future?

Boyd

Or

Anthony Miller/2nd

Thanks!!
12 Team-DEVY-SuperFlex-Tiered PPR
QB: ARod/Geno/JimmyG
RB: Gibbs/Hines
WR: AJB/Hopkins/StBrown/Kirk/Dotson/Juju/Lockett
TE: Kelce/Kmet/Knox

12 Team-SuperFlex-Non-PPR
QB: Lamar/JimmyG/Baker
RB: JT/Javonte/Sanders/Pacheco
WR: AJB/Diggs/Kirk/Jameson/Cooks
TE: Hock/Dulcich

The Red Rooster
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2102
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:55 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby The Red Rooster » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:29 pm

I would rather have Miller than Boyd straight up...so, the is pretty easily the Miller side for me.

hoos89
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5631
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby hoos89 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:05 pm

The Red Rooster wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:29 pm I would rather have Miller than Boyd straight up...so, the is pretty easily the Miller side for me.
I wouldn't, but I'd still take Miller + 2nd.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

HughHoney
Hall of Fame
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4896
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:55 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby HughHoney » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:21 pm

The Red Rooster wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:29 pm I would rather have Miller than Boyd straight up...so, the is pretty easily the Miller side for me.
x2

mullmania
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2554
Joined: Wed May 23, 2012 7:51 am

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby mullmania » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:36 pm

Considering I just bought Boyd today I'll side with him.

Miller I have a tough time judging considering he has 60 yards on the year.

2nd round pick is irrelevant for me mostly

Maximus891
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1267
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:00 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby Maximus891 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:23 am

Give me Boyd, I was high on him in his draft taking him with a 1.7 and he's finally showing what he can do.
Team 1 (18/19 Champ)
QB- Rivers, Jimmy G, Flacco
RB- LF, Kamara, Henry, Ito, Barber, RoJo, Harris, Brieda,
WR- Hopkins, Evans, Golladay, Foster, McLaurin, Perriman
TE- Kelce, Eifert, Knox, Gronk
Taxi-R Ridley, Love

Team 2 (16/18/19 Champ)
QB- Watson, Goff
RB- Zeke, CMC, Gordon, Chubb, R Freeman, Hunt
WR- MT, M Williams, Kupp, Campbell, Chark, Ross
TE- Henry, Hooper, Andrews

Team 3 (17/18 Champ)
QB- Stafford, Murray
RB- Cook, Gurley, Lindsay, Mixon, Drake
WR- OBJ, Hopkins, TY, Kupp, K Johnson, Parker, Renfrow, Ross
TE- Kittle, I Thomas

Team 4 SF
QB- Wentz, Kelly, Lamar, Brissett, Luck, RG3
RB- Chubb, Cook, KJ, Sony, Montgomery, Gallaman, Sproles
WR- Fuller, Watkins, Sutton, Hollywood, Pettis, Moore, Lee, Funchess, Crowder
TE- Kittle, Henry, Shaheen, LaCosse
Taxi- Gaskins, Love, Harmon, Hurd, Sample

The Red Rooster
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2102
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:55 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby The Red Rooster » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:30 am

It very well may be that Boyd will start producing going forward...but, I just dont think it will happen as most of his fantasy production this year is not from anything special hes done (skill and talent wise)...but rather hes finding an opening in coverage when it breaks down after Dalton extended the play. Dont get me wrong, that's a positive trait...but it's not a sustainable trait for production. If you watched last nights game, he basically strung a few weeks together going what Nelson Agholor did.

hoos89
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5631
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:25 am

The Red Rooster wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:30 am It very well may be that Boyd will start producing going forward...but, I just dont think it will happen as most of his fantasy production this year is not from anything special hes done (skill and talent wise)...but rather hes finding an opening in coverage when it breaks down after Dalton extended the play. Dont get me wrong, that's a positive trait...but it's not a sustainable trait for production. If you watched last nights game, he basically strung a few weeks together going what Nelson Agholor did.
So it's your contention that over a 3 game stretch in which Boyd posted 23/323/2, that his production was primarily as a result of coverage breaking down after Dalton extended the play? I could maybe see the argument if his production was buoyed by a handful of long TDs or something, but in that span he only had one catch over 30 yards and none over 50. He's been more of a chain mover for that offense in that stretch (see final drive 2 weeks ago). That's a lot of volume to attribute to coverage breakdowns on extended plays. I call BS.
Last edited by hoos89 on Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:33 am, edited 2 times in total.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

User avatar
HawkeyeState
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3881
Joined: Tue May 21, 2013 3:08 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby HawkeyeState » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:30 am

Im just not a big Miller guy, never have been. Boyd went from the trash can to a WR2 in a hurry this year. This was the role people were expecting him to play coming out of college. Just took him some time to get there. I'd rather have Boyd if your a contender and probably rather have Boyd if your not too but I can see the appeal of another young WR plus a 2nd for a non contender.
Team 1
10 TM .5 PPR, 6 pt all TDs 1/2/3/1/2Flex
Newton, Rivers
LF, Chubb, Michel, Kerryon, Hyde, AJones, Royce F, Crowell
Adams, Cooper, Alshon, Watkins, ARob, Fuller, Doctson, Funchess, Gallup, Pettis, Valdez-Scant
Gronk, HHenry, Engram
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 2
10 TM 1/2/3/1/1Flex 6pt all TDs .25 PPR RB, .5 PPR WR, 1 PPR TE
Wilson, Big Ben
Bell, JConner, MMack, Shady, CThompson, D'Onta Foreman, C Edmonds, B Scarborough
Julio, Nuk, Fuller, Cooks, ARob, Watkins, Cooper, SShepard, CDavis, DJ Chark
Kelce, Olsen, Andrews
1.09, 2.09, 3.09, 4.09, 5.09

Team 3
10 team, 0.5 PPR RBs WRs, 1 PPR TEs, Devy Superflex League
Carr, Goff, Falk
Barkley, Dalvin, Mixon, Michel, Ballage, MDavis, Dixon, Akers*
Hopkins, JuJu, Watkins, Fuller, Agholor, Moncrief, EQSB, Valdez-Scant, CRogers
Eifert, Ebron, JJames, JCook
1.02, 2.02, 2.06, 3.04

Played against David Johnson in HS, he was a stud back then too

The Red Rooster
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2102
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:55 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby The Red Rooster » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:35 am

hoos89 wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:25 am
The Red Rooster wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:30 am It very well may be that Boyd will start producing going forward...but, I just dont think it will happen as most of his fantasy production this year is not from anything special hes done (skill and talent wise)...but rather hes finding an opening in coverage when it breaks down after Dalton extended the play. Dont get me wrong, that's a positive trait...but it's not a sustainable trait for production. If you watched last nights game, he basically strung a few weeks together going what Nelson Agholor did.
So it's your contention that over a 3 game stretch in which Boyd posted 23/323/2, that his production was primarily as a result of coverage breaking down after Dalton extended the play? I could maybe see the argument if his production was buoyed by a handful of long TDs or something, but in that span he only had one catch over 30 yards and none over 50. He's been more of a chain mover for that offense in that stretch (see final drive 2 weeks ago). That's a lot of volume to attribute to coverage breakdowns on extended plays. I call BS.
Here's your BS (8 min mark). Google other games if you would like more...

https://youtu.be/GeyMR5U-XTw?t=481

hoos89
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5631
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:53 pm

Literally shows 2 of his 23 catches in that span being on scramble drills. Point stands.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

User avatar
WhatWouldDitkaDo
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 14721
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:02 am

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:58 pm

Boyd > Miller, but the 2nd is possibly the most valuable piece in a superflex format depending on how early it's projected. I'll take Miller plus the pick here in a rebuild.
Kittles Pox | Championships: 2015, 2017
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd

The Red Rooster
Player of the Year
Player of the Year
Posts: 2102
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:55 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby The Red Rooster » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:15 pm

The Red Rooster wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:35 am
hoos89 wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:25 am
The Red Rooster wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:30 am It very well may be that Boyd will start producing going forward...but, I just dont think it will happen as most of his fantasy production this year is not from anything special hes done (skill and talent wise)...but rather hes finding an opening in coverage when it breaks down after Dalton extended the play. Dont get me wrong, that's a positive trait...but it's not a sustainable trait for production. If you watched last nights game, he basically strung a few weeks together going what Nelson Agholor did.
So it's your contention that over a 3 game stretch in which Boyd posted 23/323/2, that his production was primarily as a result of coverage breaking down after Dalton extended the play? I could maybe see the argument if his production was buoyed by a handful of long TDs or something, but in that span he only had one catch over 30 yards and none over 50. He's been more of a chain mover for that offense in that stretch (see final drive 2 weeks ago). That's a lot of volume to attribute to coverage breakdowns on extended plays. I call BS.
Here's your BS (8 min mark). Google other games if you would like more...

https://youtu.be/GeyMR5U-XTw?t=481
hoos89 wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:53 pm Literally shows 2 of his 23 catches in that span being on scramble drills. Point stands.
Were they not BOTH TD's though? I have no interest in getting into a debate on Boyd. Does he have value? Yes. Is he going to be a guy you start in your fantasy lineups? I hope not.

hoos89
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5631
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby hoos89 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:23 pm

No. One TD was shown as an example of a scramble drill, but the other TD was used to show an example of him producing outside of a scramble drill (the first 2 plays he shows are scramble drills and then he shows 2 that aren't).

He's WR19 through 5 weeks...probably more WR3 with upside than WR2, but I think he's a solid flex play for most rosters in 12 team+ leagues at this point.
Last edited by hoos89 on Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up


Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1

FantasyFreak
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 27105
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:03 am

Re: POLL: Boyd or Anthony Miller/2nd?

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:27 pm

Boyd over Miller, but the 2nd would make the difference. It's fair. Miller is an over rated rookie around here IMO, but he can still do something. He's an old rookie, and if he does nothing this year, his value takes a huge hit IMO. If Boyd can put up 1000 yards by the end of the year, he's worth more than Miller and a 2nd by years end, unless Miller puts up something similar.
"You're a creep. You got caught.." -Dan Patrick


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], TheTroll and 31 guests