Christian Kirk value?

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Christian Kirk value?

Postby Dirty Mike&the Boys » Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:52 pm

Hello everyone,

Trying to trade for Kirk as I think he could be an absolute stud in a year or two's time, being opposite Fitz learning the ropes. He is electrifying and I think he has the ability to be way more than just a slot WR.

Anyways, I offered the owner a 2019 2nd and Pharoh Cooper (100 pts last yr) and was rejected. FWIW, He had selected Kirk 2.7 this past draft.

I have submitted a second offer seeing as he needs RB help, offering a 2019 4th rd pick + D'onta Foreman. Is this offering too much / too little?

Kirk owners, what are you seeking in return?
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Goddard » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:00 pm

I doubt that counter gets accepted either. You can try a 2nd and Foreman, but I personally wouldn't take that if I owned Kirk. If he needs RB help, don't see how Foreman helps. Maybe Mack and a pick gets you closer if he's higher on him than Foreman.

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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Dirty Mike&the Boys » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:06 pm

Goddard wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:00 pm I doubt that counter gets accepted either. You can try a 2nd and Foreman, but I personally wouldn't take that if I owned Kirk. If he needs RB help, don't see how Foreman helps. Maybe Mack and a pick gets you closer if he's higher on him than Foreman.
Mack and a pick? Reality might be slapping me in the face here. I definitely value Mack over Kirk at this point in time, but sounds like I might be in the minority there.
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Goddard » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:18 pm

kumetis93 wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:06 pm
Goddard wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:00 pm I doubt that counter gets accepted either. You can try a 2nd and Foreman, but I personally wouldn't take that if I owned Kirk. If he needs RB help, don't see how Foreman helps. Maybe Mack and a pick gets you closer if he's higher on him than Foreman.
Mack and a pick? Reality might be slapping me in the face here. I definitely value Mack over Kirk at this point in time, but sounds like I might be in the minority there.
You say in your original post that you think Kirk can be a "stud" and how high you are on him, and yet you value Mack over him? Do you think Mack is already a stud or will be a stud as well? Don't get the logic, but I guess you can always try Mack for Kirk and a pick if that's how you see it, but I'd expect that offer to get laughed at.

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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby BradysBunch » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:19 pm

I would take Kirk over Mack and a second
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Dirty Mike&the Boys » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:48 pm

Goddard wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:18 pm
kumetis93 wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:06 pm
Goddard wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:00 pm I doubt that counter gets accepted either. You can try a 2nd and Foreman, but I personally wouldn't take that if I owned Kirk. If he needs RB help, don't see how Foreman helps. Maybe Mack and a pick gets you closer if he's higher on him than Foreman.
Mack and a pick? Reality might be slapping me in the face here. I definitely value Mack over Kirk at this point in time, but sounds like I might be in the minority there.
You say in your original post that you think Kirk can be a "stud" and how high you are on him, and yet you value Mack over him? Do you think Mack is already a stud or will be a stud as well? Don't get the logic, but I guess you can always try Mack for Kirk and a pick if that's how you see it, but I'd expect that offer to get laughed at.
I like Kirk a lot, having him rated as the #2 WR in this draft, but was far in the minority there (most people had him as the WR3-4). Just because I like a player a lot doesn't mean I should overpay, imo. Mack has a year of tape and looks promising, with the potential for the #1 job in Indy. I would do a 1-1 swap, but I definitely wouldn't add to Mack to get Kirk. They were both second rd picks in their respective rookie drafts.
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Checker1183 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:34 pm

BradysBunch wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:19 pm I would take Kirk over Mack and a second
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Slackalacker » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:18 pm

Checker1183 wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:34 pm
BradysBunch wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:19 pm I would take Kirk over Mack and a second
x2
x3. I’d think they’d take this though if they are rb needy.
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby crip7300 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:36 pm

i own Kirk in 2 leagues and he went at the end of the 1st round in every draft i was in that wasn't a superflex. I would want at a minimum a future 1st and some change. I could see the argument for Mack being a fair offer for him but I personally wouldn't take that unless I was really RB needy. If you think he will be a stud, it is probably worth paying up for him, go get him while he is relatively cheap before he blows up.
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby JDogil12 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:20 pm

Kirk>Mack and a 2nd.

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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Goddard » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:56 am

VISUAL DESPERADO wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:54 am Just want to revisit this topic. What is Kirk's value in picks?
I'd want at least a late 1st, and even then not sure it would make sense to move him for that.

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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby RB6 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:58 am

Definitely Kirk over the RB offers. Worth a mid 1st to me. Arrow is pointing up.
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Dirty Mike&the Boys » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:55 pm

Goddard wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:56 am
VISUAL DESPERADO wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:54 am Just want to revisit this topic. What is Kirk's value in picks?
I'd want at least a late 1st, and even then not sure it would make sense to move him for that.
Doubtful. Even though this post is old, I tried again this week to obtain Kirk from said owner. Offered Allison and a mid 2019 first and got shut down immediately, with no counter haha.
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Re: Christian Kirk value?

Postby Spongehack » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:17 pm

Dirty Mike&the Boyz wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:55 pm
Goddard wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:56 am
VISUAL DESPERADO wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:54 am Just want to revisit this topic. What is Kirk's value in picks?
I'd want at least a late 1st, and even then not sure it would make sense to move him for that.
Doubtful. Even though this post is old, I tried again this week to obtain Kirk from said owner. Offered Allison and a mid 2019 first and got shut down immediately, with no counter haha.

That's actually a solid offer.
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