I give: Gronk, Evans, 2019 1st (late)
I get: Kelce, Hopkins, 2019 3rd (early)
Guy rejected my initial counter offer where I give a 2019 2nd instead of a 1st and sent me this. 16-team league in my signature. Thoughts?
Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
Hopkins side by a lot.
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Godwin, K Allen, OBJ, Tyler Boyd, Tre'Quan Smith, M Boykin, D Duvernay,
Travis Kelce, T.J. Hockenson, OJ Howard
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
I think a late 1st in a 16-team league is a small price to pay for those two upgrades. Take it and run.
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QB: Hurts, Howell
RB: Mixon, Jones, Sanders, Dobbins, Akers, Roschon, Dowdle, Kelley
WR: Nuk, Godwin, Cooper, Lockett, Flowers, Chark, Collins, Hollins, Tillman, Tolbert
TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
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TE: Hockenson, Chig, Trautman
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QB: Lawrence $5/3, Richardson $5/5, Minshew $1/0, Jones $1/0, Heinicke $1/0, Tyrod $1/0
RB: Achane $4/4, Warren $2/4, Roschon $7/5, Dillon $4/1, Hubbard $2/1, Kelley $1/0
WR: Nuk $78/1, MT $25/1, M. Williams $1/0, JSN $21/5, Reed $4/5, Rice $4/5, M. Wilson $2/5
TE: Thomas $1/0, Hill $1/0, Parham $1/0
Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
Hopkins side
Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
gronk is still the most impactful piece here imo, and i would stick with gronk and the 1st over kelce and the 3rd. that said....if you want to the other side, i think this is as good as its gonna get.
for me evans/gronk is close enough to kelce/nuk....that i would not pay what is likely somewhere around a 20 pick drop in next years draft and could potentially be quite a bit more (could realistically be 30 or more).
are you looking to buy kelce/nuk or is he just sending out offers?
for me evans/gronk is close enough to kelce/nuk....that i would not pay what is likely somewhere around a 20 pick drop in next years draft and could potentially be quite a bit more (could realistically be 30 or more).
are you looking to buy kelce/nuk or is he just sending out offers?
Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
exactly what i was going to say....although probably not so eloquently...sloth8u wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:26 pm gronk is still the most impactful piece here imo, and i would stick with gronk and the 1st over kelce and the 3rd. that said....if you want to the other side, i think this is as good as its gonna get.
for me evans/gronk is close enough to kelce/nuk....that i would not pay what is likely somewhere around a 20 pick drop in next years draft and could potentially be quite a bit more (could realistically be 30 or more).
are you looking to buy kelce/nuk or is he just sending out offers?
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
not even totally sure you are getting any upgrades here. sure ppl think kelce will be > gronk and nuk > evans but i could easily see the exact opposite happening and it not be all that surprising. i'd counter back that you'd need his 2nd in the deal instead of 3rd or it would be a no go. that would cushion the draft pick drop
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
+1
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
I think it is fair
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
Hopkins/Kelce side
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
Hopkins side for me , I think Kelce and Gronk are pretty close , but Hopkins is worth more than a 1st more than Evans
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Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
Nuk by a decent amount for me as well
Re: Gronk/Evans/1st for Kelce/Hopkins/3rd?
Just stay put, Gronk and Kelce are essentially a wash imo. Gronk will produce a bit more in the short term, but Kelce has a little more longevity most likely. As for the WRs, this time last year Evans was coming off of a great year and Nuk a down one. Evans was pretty strongly considered the number 2 WR in dynasty and went top 5 in every draft I was in, Nuk was usually in the early to mid 2nd. Now just a year later Nuk is the one coming off the great year and Evans the poor one. I think it's entirely possible Evans ends up having the better year once again, or being better from this time on.
Overall I would stay put in your situation, but if you prefer the safety of Kelce over the dominance of Gronk, and/or believe Nuk is a significant upgrade over Evans then go for it.
Overall I would stay put in your situation, but if you prefer the safety of Kelce over the dominance of Gronk, and/or believe Nuk is a significant upgrade over Evans then go for it.
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