UPDATE: Trade accepted - Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

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UPDATE: Trade accepted - Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby PigskinAddict » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:55 pm

I'm discussing the 1st team in my signature line.

During my league's rookie draft, I drafted Josh Allen with pick 1.12 after the top 5 rookie QBs and top 6 rookie RBs were already taken. I wasn't crazy about the selection, but QBs are treated like gold in this 2QB dynasty league.

I contacted the Rivers owner to gauge his interest in trading him away and mentioned offering "Josh Allen+". He bit; he's interested. Why Rivers? My hope is he'll give me consistent mid to low QB1 production, just what he's been doing.

I'm not confident the Bills coaching staff will develop Allen. I am confident in Rivers' production for the next 2 seasons until his contract expires. Barring unforeseen injury, etc., Rivers stated in 2017 he'd like to play 'a handful of years' longer. Might Rivers play another 1 or 2 years beyond his current contract? Possibly, but I'd say the likelihood is 50/50 at best.

If I acquire Rivers I'll have another 2 or 2+ years to pick up additional talent before he and Big Ben likely retire. I admit I'm banking on Foles becoming a starter elsewhere. Three years from now, my team may be starting Stafford, Foles and whomever else I acquire between now and then.

So, am I crazy for thinking of trading away Josh Allen before giving him a chance to develop? Or, should I let someone else worry about his development?

Thanks!
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby playa_hata » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:00 pm

you need another qb i would be really confident with stafford, rivers and ben (at home) so if you could give up josh allen and hyde or josh allen and woods for rivers i would in a heart beat maybe toss in rsj or brate to get it done on top of allen woods/hyde
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby Jmatt>Coleman » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:21 pm

I would trade josh Allen for a turd sandwich, probably with some mayo on top in a 2 qb league.
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:26 pm

Jmatt>Coleman wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:21 pm I would trade josh Allen for a turd sandwich, probably with some mayo on top in a 2 qb league.
That's just silly IMO. :lol: He's a top 10 draft pick. The hate/love in this community astounds me sometimes. He has accuracy issues, but he's also a highly intelligent QB on the white board, and a top 10 QB is worth more than "a turd sandwich" in a 2 QB league. He hasn't even played an NFL game yet. Even if he becomes Blake Bortles he's worth quite a bit in a 2 QB league. IDK, I'm not even really high on him but I'll buy him for a turd sandwich, I'll even give you some spicy mayo, not just the plain crap.
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby PigskinAddict » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:49 pm

playa_hata wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:00 pm you need another qb i would be really confident with stafford, rivers and ben (at home) so if you could give up josh allen and hyde or josh allen and woods for rivers i would in a heart beat maybe toss in rsj or brate to get it done on top of allen woods/hyde
Thanks for your response Playa. I agree and I've actually considered both potential trade offers without the additional TE though. The other owner values rookie draft picks; he wouldn't trade his picks during the 2018 rookie draft.

Possible offers:

Rivers for Allen + 2019 late 2nd (+ RSJ or Brate if necessary)
Rivers for Allen + Hyde (+ RSJ or Brate if necessary)
Rivers for Allen + Woods (+ RSJ or Brate if necessary)
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby PigskinAddict » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:56 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:26 pm
Jmatt>Coleman wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:21 pm I would trade josh Allen for a turd sandwich, probably with some mayo on top in a 2 qb league.
That's just silly IMO. :lol: He's a top 10 draft pick. The hate/love in this community astounds me sometimes. He has accuracy issues, but he's also a highly intelligent QB on the white board, and a top 10 QB is worth more than "a turd sandwich" in a 2 QB league. He hasn't even played an NFL game yet. Even if he becomes Blake Bortles he's worth quite a bit in a 2 QB league. IDK, I'm not even really high on him but I'll buy him for a turd sandwich, I'll even give you some spicy mayo, not just the plain crap.
I also agree with your perspective FantasyFreak. I've read Allen's potential NFL comps range from Jake Locker to Brock Osweiler to Blake Bortles to Big Ben. :crazy: Despite what some people think, Bortles has legit value in 2QB format.

Turd sandwich aside :sick: , in a 2QB format, would you move Allen if you're acquiring Rivers in return?
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:01 pm

PigskinAddict wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:56 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:26 pm
Jmatt>Coleman wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:21 pm I would trade josh Allen for a turd sandwich, probably with some mayo on top in a 2 qb league.
That's just silly IMO. :lol: He's a top 10 draft pick. The hate/love in this community astounds me sometimes. He has accuracy issues, but he's also a highly intelligent QB on the white board, and a top 10 QB is worth more than "a turd sandwich" in a 2 QB league. He hasn't even played an NFL game yet. Even if he becomes Blake Bortles he's worth quite a bit in a 2 QB league. IDK, I'm not even really high on him but I'll buy him for a turd sandwich, I'll even give you some spicy mayo, not just the plain crap.
I also agree with your perspective FantasyFreak. I've read Allen's potential NFL comps range from Jake Locker to Brock Osweiler to Blake Bortles to Big Ben. :crazy: Despite what some people think, Bortles has legit value in 2QB format.

Turd sandwich aside :sick: , in a 2QB format, would you move Allen if you're acquiring Rivers in return?
If you have any chance of winning in the next 2-3 years, yes. If not, no, unless the plan was to flip Rivers because you think you could get more for him. Based on your team being a contender by the looks of it, yeah, I'd do it. As someone else had stated, Ben is only reliable at home, so it will give you great ability to pick and choose the best option week to week. There is a good chance Foles is a starter somewhere else next year, too, so you could have 4 starters contributing next year.
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby PigskinAddict » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:15 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:01 pm
PigskinAddict wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:56 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:26 pm

That's just silly IMO. :lol: He's a top 10 draft pick. The hate/love in this community astounds me sometimes. He has accuracy issues, but he's also a highly intelligent QB on the white board, and a top 10 QB is worth more than "a turd sandwich" in a 2 QB league. He hasn't even played an NFL game yet. Even if he becomes Blake Bortles he's worth quite a bit in a 2 QB league. IDK, I'm not even really high on him but I'll buy him for a turd sandwich, I'll even give you some spicy mayo, not just the plain crap.
I also agree with your perspective FantasyFreak. I've read Allen's potential NFL comps range from Jake Locker to Brock Osweiler to Blake Bortles to Big Ben. :crazy: Despite what some people think, Bortles has legit value in 2QB format.

Turd sandwich aside :sick: , in a 2QB format, would you move Allen if you're acquiring Rivers in return?
If you have any chance of winning in the next 2-3 years, yes. If not, no, unless the plan was to flip Rivers because you think you could get more for him. Based on your team being a contender by the looks of it, yeah, I'd do it. As someone else had stated, Ben is only reliable at home, so it will give you great ability to pick and choose the best option week to week. There is a good chance Foles is a starter somewhere else next year, too, so you could have 4 starters contributing next year.
Thanks for the follow up response FantasyFreak. Yes, I believe my team can be a contender this season and starting Rivers while Big Ben plays on the road is a solid plan. And, I too agree Foles has a good chance to become a starter next season. Thanks again!
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby playa_hata » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:41 pm

I would love to have Bortles as my qb3 in a 2qb league which i actually do have him as my qb 3 behind rodgers and dak in team 1 in my sig. that being said i think josh allen is a valuable asset in a 2qb league and i would also happily trade him for rivers but like above posts have stated only if you are going to contend i guess its pointless to go after rivers if youre two years away. good luck!
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby PigskinAddict » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:12 pm

playa_hata wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:41 pm I would love to have Bortles as my qb3 in a 2qb league which i actually do have him as my qb 3 behind rodgers and dak in team 1 in my sig. that being said i think josh allen is a valuable asset in a 2qb league and i would also happily trade him for rivers but like above posts have stated only if you are going to contend i guess its pointless to go after rivers if youre two years away. good luck!
Thanks for the follow up Playa. My team won the 2017 league championship. I believe I'm a contender for 2018 too. My initial thoughts and discussion with FantasyFreak focused upon keeping me in contention by acquiring Rivers. With Rivers, Stafford and Big Ben, my team can win now. And, with Rivers, Stafford, Big Ben and Foles next season, my team looks like a contender in 2019 too. Thanks again!
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Re: Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby Jmatt>Coleman » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:31 pm

Sorry I didn’t elaborate. Josh Allen had a 56% completion rate and 16 tds in the MWC last year. This guy has bust written all over him. I would move him for the likes of Ben, Rivers, Brees, or any other qb to help keep the contention window open as this guy won’t help your team.

People poke fun at Blake Bortles who ranked 4,8, 13 last three years. Blake Bortles who was trash and would be out of the league this year. But they tout Allen as valuable. This guy dreams of having a year like Blake’s last “game manager” down year where he was gonna lose his job.
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Re: UPDATE: Trade accepted - Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby PigskinAddict » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:16 am

I acquired Philip Rivers and John Kelly in return for Josh Allen, Carlos Hyde and Cameron Brate.
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Re: UPDATE: Trade accepted - Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:18 am

PigskinAddict wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:16 am I acquired Philip Rivers and John Kelly in return for Josh Allen, Carlos Hyde and Cameron Brate.
Great trade to get Rivers for a win-now team in a 2QB format.
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Re: UPDATE: Trade accepted - Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby sloth8u » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:40 am

im obviously in the minority here, but id prefer allen by quite a bit over rivers (given the circumstance of you taking him in rd 1 of your draft). this time next year, my guess is....most here will aswell. the kid has a nice skillset and while im not all that intrigued by his situation, that can change in a hurry.

i give rivers 3 years max, id imagine allen see's the field this year, but if not, should certainly start the 2019 season. meanwhile the 38 yr old rivers will be on his way out.

this could or would certainly change if your looking for a starter, but your not. you are stricltly giving 1.12+ for a 37 yr old back up qb for your team.

very few will be suprised if allen ends up being the best fantasy qb in this draft. jackson has the upside, rosen the safest, darnold the pedigree, mayfield is a bum. i realize owners want to see what allen can do against competition.....its a waiting game. id be sure to wait if the best you can do is rivers and you have to add.

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Re: UPDATE: Trade accepted - Thinking of trading away Josh Allen...forum's thoughts?

Postby PigskinAddict » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:58 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:18 am
PigskinAddict wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:16 am I acquired Philip Rivers and John Kelly in return for Josh Allen, Carlos Hyde and Cameron Brate.
Great trade to get Rivers for a win-now team in a 2QB format.
Thanks WWDD. I thought so too. I'll see how it plays out.
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