Antonio Brown for Zeke

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AB or Zeke

AB
6
12%
Zeke
43
88%
 
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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby dblj1199 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:38 am

AB’s production hasn’t actually dipped with backups in place of Ben, he has stayed steady or slightly increased because they simply lock in on him. I own both but I’d take Zeke long term here. They are both one of the top players at their positions, but with the o-line in Dallas and Zekes age I’m riding him for the next 5-7 years.
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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:43 pm

joeday wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:31 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:51 pm In a vacuum Zeke, but need to know league settings and the roster to provide more useful feedback.
His roster is in the signature, but starting requirements would be helpful.

I would take Zeke here. Someone mentioned it above, but Zeke is going a few spots ahead of AB in startups. Also, with bellcows being so rare and you cornering the market and having 3 of them (potentially) blocks other teams from having them.

All that said, the Big Ben thing is more a myth than anything. The Steelers completely changed their offense when Vick played in 2015 but when Landry came in and played two games with AB, Brown's stats were 6-124 and 7-106. That is all moot anyway considering that Ben got what he wanted (Haley being fired) and will probably be around for another 3-4 years.
His sig team does have Zeke, but the trade could be for another team. Some people (ahem!) have too many teams to fit in their sig.

Completely agree about the Haley/Roethlisberger/Brown point.
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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby Goddard » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:24 pm

Love AB, but I'd keep Zeke.

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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby 1coldone » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:29 pm

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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby metalmat » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:49 pm

This is a tough call for me. I recently did a new dynasty startup and took Zeke #4 overall and while I do like him quite a bit I did regret not trading back a bit and taking Antonio Brown who went a few picks later. Over the past 4 years Brown has been the #1 WR by a good click in PPR. I don't see any reason why Brown can't keep this up for another 4-5 years, he is a stud and has played with other QBs besides Ben. Even if Ben retires I don't think Brown suddenly falls off a cliff.

That said right now I would say go with Zeke purely because he holds more current value than AB right now. However I wouldn't blame you at all going the AB route, he is a solid player you can build a team around for years to come.
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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby Titans95 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:54 pm

joeday wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:31 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:51 pm In a vacuum Zeke, but need to know league settings and the roster to provide more useful feedback.
His roster is in the signature, but starting requirements would be helpful.

I would take Zeke here. Someone mentioned it above, but Zeke is going a few spots ahead of AB in startups. Also, with bellcows being so rare and you cornering the market and having 3 of them (potentially) blocks other teams from having them.

All that said, the Big Ben thing is more a myth than anything. The Steelers completely changed their offense when Vick played in 2015 but when Landry came in and played two games with AB, Brown's stats were 6-124 and 7-106. That is all moot anyway considering that Ben got what he wanted (Haley being fired) and will probably be around for another 3-4 years.
Would AB still be the best WR in football with Ben? Yes. Would he be the best bet to be the #1 fantasy WR? Yes. Is it Guaranteed? No. Is it guaranteed to be the best WR with Ben healthy and baring injury from brown? YES. Their connection is truly once in a lifetime. Best duo in history and there isn't another WR that could possibly come close to AB if him and Ben are both healthy, its just not possible to stop them.

Just making the comment to point out that while he'd be elite still without Ben he wouldnt be in a different tier by himself, only reason AB would even be considered in the same realm as a guy like zeke at the age of 30 is because of how much more dominant he is at the position.

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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby joeday » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:17 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:43 pm
joeday wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:31 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:51 pm In a vacuum Zeke, but need to know league settings and the roster to provide more useful feedback.
His roster is in the signature, but starting requirements would be helpful.

I would take Zeke here. Someone mentioned it above, but Zeke is going a few spots ahead of AB in startups. Also, with bellcows being so rare and you cornering the market and having 3 of them (potentially) blocks other teams from having them.

All that said, the Big Ben thing is more a myth than anything. The Steelers completely changed their offense when Vick played in 2015 but when Landry came in and played two games with AB, Brown's stats were 6-124 and 7-106. That is all moot anyway considering that Ben got what he wanted (Haley being fired) and will probably be around for another 3-4 years.
His sig team does have Zeke, but the trade could be for another team. Some people (ahem!) have too many teams to fit in their sig.

Completely agree about the Haley/Roethlisberger/Brown point.
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Re: Antonio Brown for Zeke

Postby gopackgo » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:24 am

Titans95 wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:54 pm
joeday wrote: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:31 am
Pullo Vision wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:51 pm In a vacuum Zeke, but need to know league settings and the roster to provide more useful feedback.
His roster is in the signature, but starting requirements would be helpful.

I would take Zeke here. Someone mentioned it above, but Zeke is going a few spots ahead of AB in startups. Also, with bellcows being so rare and you cornering the market and having 3 of them (potentially) blocks other teams from having them.

All that said, the Big Ben thing is more a myth than anything. The Steelers completely changed their offense when Vick played in 2015 but when Landry came in and played two games with AB, Brown's stats were 6-124 and 7-106. That is all moot anyway considering that Ben got what he wanted (Haley being fired) and will probably be around for another 3-4 years.
Would AB still be the best WR in football with Ben? Yes. Would he be the best bet to be the #1 fantasy WR? Yes. Is it Guaranteed? No. Is it guaranteed to be the best WR with Ben healthy and baring injury from brown? YES. Their connection is truly once in a lifetime. Best duo in history and there isn't another WR that could possibly come close to AB if him and Ben are both healthy, its just not possible to stop them.

Just making the comment to point out that while he'd be elite still without Ben he wouldnt be in a different tier by himself, only reason AB would even be considered in the same realm as a guy like zeke at the age of 30 is because of how much more dominant he is at the position.
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Aikman/Irvin
Warner/Bruce
Brady/Moss - they averaged a TD a game!!
Culpepper/Moss
Probably would've been the best combo ever ---> Favre/Sharpe - 315 receptions, 3,854 yards, 42 touchdowns in three seasons only to have an injury cut short Sharpe's career

I'd say all of those would surpass/rival Big Ben to Brown.
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