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Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby BeeziBad » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:07 pm

Team 1, someone has offered me a load for ajayi...

I give - Ajayi
I get - 2.5, 2.6, 2.8, 3.4, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12

Or is this a case of quantity over quality???
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby pokerplayer1000 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:28 pm

I am not a believe in Ajayi, personally instead of all those 3rds id rather have something like a 19 2nd

My biggest concern would be do you have the roster space to draft all those picks
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WR: Kupp/Landry/CRidley/Sutton/Fitz/Campbell/Agholar/Boykin
TE: Henry/Hooper/Fant
DL: Houston/Calias
LB: Littleton/Blake
DB: Walker/Bell
20: 1.02,1.08,2.01,2.05,2.08
21: 2 1sts
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TE: Ertz/Higbee/Ebron/Vance/Knox
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby keebs3 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:32 pm

pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:28 pm I am not a believe in Ajayi, personally instead of all those 3rds id rather have something like a 19 2nd

My biggest concern would be do you have the roster space to draft all those picks
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby AresGodOWar » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:39 pm

Not even close for me , I would want the 1.02 to consider moving him
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby M-Dub » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:48 pm

The 2.05 & 2.06 alone are a good haul for Ajayi. The rest is gravy.
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby pokerplayer1000 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:23 pm

AresGodOWar wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:39 pm Not even close for me , I would want the 1.02 to consider moving him
Maybe there is another Ajayi....
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RB: Cook/Jacobs/Kamara/Guice/JWilliams
WR: Kupp/Landry/CRidley/Sutton/Fitz/Campbell/Agholar/Boykin
TE: Henry/Hooper/Fant
DL: Houston/Calias
LB: Littleton/Blake
DB: Walker/Bell
20: 1.02,1.08,2.01,2.05,2.08
21: 2 1sts
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TE: Ebron/Hooper/Vance/Hurst(TS)/Knox(TS)
DE: Jordan/Bosa/Lawerence
DT: Lawerence/Reader
LB: Jaylon/Martinez/Roquan/Campbell
CB: TWhite/King
S: Johnson III/Bell/Jenkins
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:41 pm

Too much of a quantity for quality deal.
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby notweswelker » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:14 am

pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:23 pm
AresGodOWar wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:39 pm Not even close for me , I would want the 1.02 to consider moving him
Maybe there is another Ajayi....
Ajayi clearly has top RB 10 talent. That's half the battle. If he gets sufficient touches he could easily be an RB-1 in that offense.
Is Guice really a better bet at this point?

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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby pokerplayer1000 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:28 am

0LDMAN wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:14 am
pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:23 pm
AresGodOWar wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:39 pm Not even close for me , I would want the 1.02 to consider moving him
Maybe there is another Ajayi....
Ajayi clearly has top RB 10 talent. That's half the battle. If he gets sufficient touches he could easily be an RB-1 in that offense.
Is Guice really a better bet at this point?
Of course guice isn't any better at this point, he hasn't played, but I also don't agree that Ajayi has top 10 RB talent either, if he did, well he wouldn't have been shipped out of Miami and sharing time in philly with a bunch of nobodies.

You can ask whatever you want for a player, but find me one person who would pay 1.02 for Ajayi.
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20: 1.02,1.08,2.01,2.05,2.08
21: 2 1sts
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby AresGodOWar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:41 am

pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:28 am
0LDMAN wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:14 am
pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:23 pm

Maybe there is another Ajayi....
Ajayi clearly has top RB 10 talent. That's half the battle. If he gets sufficient touches he could easily be an RB-1 in that offense.
Is Guice really a better bet at this point?
Of course guice isn't any better at this point, he hasn't played, but I also don't agree that Ajayi has top 10 RB talent either, if he did, well he wouldn't have been shipped out of Miami and sharing time in philly with a bunch of nobodies.

You can ask whatever you want for a player, but find me one person who would pay 1.02 for Ajayi.
He came to Philly mid season after they were already winning why would they just hand over the job to someone that didn't know the play book , They let Blount go this year and didn't draft anyone that tells me they think he can handle the job he did avg. 5.8 ypc there seems like top 10 talent to me.

A lot of studs got traded or let go that don't mean they aren't good look at Landry Mia. let him walk , Cooks got traded twice in two year , Brees and Graham got let go in their prime on and on , There are other reasons people get let go maybe they just don't fit with the team.

It is ok if no one wants to pay my asking price I keep him it's no loss to me I'll take his 250 carries 5ypc all goallines and some catches this year.
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:44 am

BeeziBad wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:07 pm Or is this a case of quantity over quality???
Obviously.

That said, with that many picks, odds actually become pretty decent that one of the players selected will be a sleeper that matches or surpasses Ajayi's proven talent. The problem, of course, is that you don't have that much roster space. And some leagues don't even let you use more than 'x' number of picks during a rookie-draft, regardless of how many cuts you've made prior and how many picks you've compiled.

Bottom line, Jay Ajayi is the obvious leadback and primary goal-line option of one of the best offenses in the NFL. He's a textbook post-hype bounceback candidate, a comfortable fantasy high-end RB2 with RB1 potential if the cards fall right often enough in terms of weekly game-script and goal-line opportunities. And he's still only 25 years old as of two days ago. Jay Ajayi is blue-chip.

So trading him for anything but blue-chip in return is a gift to the other guy. You'd better get a similarly young '18 startable fantasy RB2, an '18 startable fantasy WR2 with upside, or a very elite TE1. Any pick you trade him for had better land something like this for '18, or you're losing the trade at the outset.

Maybe some mid-2nd round rookie-draft pick or whatever eventually becomes a player that matches Ajayi's present fantasy and dynasty value, but trading confirmed present-tense value for low-percentage lottery tickets that won't even pay off immediately even if they do hit is something you generally wanna avoid doing in this game.
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby ninotoreS » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:29 am

pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:28 am I... don't agree that Ajayi has top 10 RB talent either, if he did, well he wouldn't have been shipped out of Miami and sharing time in philly with a bunch of nobodies.
Despite the box-scores, Jay Ajayi had weekly PFF grades in the lower 90s and upper 80s in four of seven starts for Miami last year. Up until Week 7, he was the third best overall graded RB in the NFL, behind only Bell and Freeman at that point. His box-scores mostly sucked because Miami's O-line had been 30th in Adjusted Line Yards at mid-season, and the entire offense was last in the NFL in a bunch of categories.

I hate to say this, but Adam Gase has not been making good decisions with personnel.

And Ajayi isn't "sharing time in philly with a bunch of nobodies". Or rather, it is a bunch of nobodies (aside from Sproles), and that's why he shouldn't share much of the 2-down work. He's plainly the Eagle RB to own. Blount's gone, Philly opted not to spend any real capital on RBs this offseason, Clement is a change-of-pace back and Darren Sproles will be 35 years old in three days and coming off a major injury. Where's the realistic threat to Ajayi's touch-share here? Clement? Clement did fine as a rookie, but this is a guy who averaged 4.3 ypc in an Eagles jersey to Ajayi's 5.8. Yards-per-carry doesn't mean everything, but a difference this dramatic is usually meaningful.
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby MEuRaH » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:33 am

Ajayi's ADP is around 60, which is the 1.12 rookie pick.

All those picks easily equal more than Ajayi's value, but do you have room? Could you possibly trade some of those for future 2nds? That's what I would do. I'm not an Ajayi believer btw. I'm currently offering him to 13 teams in one of my leagues.
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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby topher » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:18 am

I’ve been one of the lower people on Ajayi on this board, but even I’d take him over a collection of dart throws. I just find all those picks are falling in the obvious tier drop of talent in this years class.

Maybe if my team was as barren as Antarctica, I’d do it.

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Re: Enough hall for Ajayi?

Postby notweswelker » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:15 am

pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:28 am
0LDMAN wrote: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:14 am
pokerplayer1000 wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:23 pm

Maybe there is another Ajayi....
Ajayi clearly has top RB 10 talent. That's half the battle. If he gets sufficient touches he could easily be an RB-1 in that offense.
Is Guice really a better bet at this point?
Of course guice isn't any better at this point, he hasn't played, but I also don't agree that Ajayi has top 10 RB talent either, if he did, well he wouldn't have been shipped out of Miami and sharing time in philly with a bunch of nobodies.

You can ask whatever you want for a player, but find me one person who would pay 1.02 for Ajayi.
In non-SF I would. What's the alternative? Guice?! Yuck. The dynasty community is usually a year late in their reactions, take a look at Hopkins ADP a year ago, he was being drafted 12-16 depending on site.
I always find it entertaining when people bring up his trade. The superbowl winning team went out of their way to acquire Ajayi whilst the Miami Dolphins, the joke of the league traded him away. And I'm supposed to feel like this is a negative? Quite the perspective.


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